Costa Mesa School Resource Officer Program Canceled (**Updated)
Based on several contacts this morning, it is my understanding that the School Resource Officer program at Costa Mesa schools has been canceled effective next month.
LOSS OF A VALUABLE PROGRAMThis program, in which Costa Mesa police officers are an active presence on high school and middle school campuses in Costa Mesa, has long been hailed as very positive program and an effective deterrent to gang participation. The Newport-Mesa Unified School District pays for half the cost of these officers.
It is my understanding that the officers who participate in this program will be transferred to patrol duties in an effort to shore-up that effort in the face of diminishing resources due to low staffing levels, departures and injuries. Normally the SRO officers would perform patrol duties during the summer months, when school is out. However, it is my understanding that there is NO anticipation that they will return to the campuses in the fall this year.
UNDERSTAFFEDAs most folks know, the Costa Mesa Police Department is now operating with 131 sworn officers (including a handful from a federal grant) down from 164 two years ago and well below the staffing levels recommended by the consultant the City hired to do an assessment of police operations last year. Former Interim Police Chief Steve Staveley - who did two tours in that role in our city recently - also recommended a much higher staffing level. The current levels were demanded by the current council using numbers that were largely irrelevant to Costa Mesa's circumstances. I wrote about it HERE and HERE.
I'm not surprised that this move has been made. Crime is up in our city and I expect that Chief Tom Gaszi and the CMPD command staff sees this as one way to try to plug holes in our system to keep all residents of the city safe. The current city council majority refuses to permit the CMPD to hire new officers until there is a second pension tier in place, so they've placed political dogma ahead of the safety of all residents and visitors to our city. Shame on them!
Officials from The City, the CMPD and the School District were not available for comment yet. When they are I'll provide their input.
**MORE NEWS...
I've heard from the City since I published this story.
PER BILL LOBDELL
Bill Lobdell, Communication Director, sent me the following message:
"It hasn't been cancelled. The program winds down each summer. This year, the shift started a little early because of increased demands and officers out of the lineup as a result of on-duty injuries. It's anticipated that the program will start again in the fall."
CHIEF GAZSI CONFIRMS
This evening I also heard from Chief Tom Gazsi, who confirmed that the SRO program has NOT been canceled, per se. Due to recent injuries to several officers, the summer program was moved forward a couple weeks. He tells me his expectation and hope is to resume the SRO program in the fall, although much depends on the extent of the injuries to the officers and when they can return to regular duty. And, of course, it depends on what's happening elsewhere in the city crime-wise. If crime stats are up significantly it may mean some more creative deployment to attempt to provide a safe city with limited human resources.
NO WORD FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT YET
So far, no official word has been received from any member of the School District administration or the board on this issue.
Labels: Newport-Mesa Unified School District, School Resource Officers, Tom Gazsi
posted by The Pot Stirrer at 6/07/2012 12:32:00 PM
73 Comments:
Does this mean we're not paying officer Gillman $190k a year to eat donuts and b.s. with students and staff at Estancia High School anymore? When my kids went there, that's all he did all day. Glad they're putting these guys back on the street where the crime is. Very good news for Costa Mesa!
Crime is rising daily!
CMPD is covering our entire city on day watch with six, that's right SIX patrol cars!
Dear city council,
PLEASE WAKE THE F*** UP!!!
A classic case of pay me now or pay me later. This program was a very effective community outreach. Do away with this program and expect to see an upswing in gang recruitment in the schools and more youth problems down the road. The short sightedness of the council has put the Chief in a postion where he has little choice. It seems very clear to me that the boys are intentionally setting city staff up for failure, if you don't have a crisis create one. It has to be intentional because if you are smart enough to dress yourself you would never run a business or city like this.
Keep blaming Council while letting CMPOA off the hook. Way to go, Council haters.
Lets keep having the City (residents) fully fund PD pensions.
Lets hire at 3@50, instead of a second tier, which everyone from Gov. Brown to the LA City Council is supporting.
Let's keep banging on the Council while giving the CMPOA and their refusal to do anything about pension reform a pass.
Crime prevention, fire prevention and preventative medicine all pay off. It's much cheaper, effective and sensible to be proactive rather than reactive. That's the reason people have a colonoscopy but some can't because their head is in the way apparently.
I agree with Rick. The schools can hire private security. It is not the City of Costa Mesa's job to provide Resource Officers at the schools. I much rather have my tax dollars be spent on officers patrolling the streets.
Way better use of tax dollars to get cops out of classrooms and in the cars to stop crime. Of course the haters on this blog just want to keep the gravy train going. I support this plan.
It wasn't just the SROs sent back to patrol.
It sounds Really? Is a little jealous. Did you get in the wrong line at career day?
Sam Grady, most cops would agree with you. SRO's likely provide only what DARE and Community Policing provided, no real measuarable crime reduction results, but people felt better about things with these programs. Sometimes that can be a good thing, but the bottom line is neither put crooks in jail.
Really? Blame CMPOA for what exactly? They offered a second tier in 2010 that was soundly rejected by your council. How is that their fault? And further, the CMPOA was one of the first in the county to agree to any pension reform when they agreed with the city to pay 5% towards the 9% PERS costs. CMPOA will continue to do so to at least 2014 and I don't suspect that will ever go away. In fact, it is likely they will eventually pay the entire 9% within the next few years. Keep trying to paint the cops, and all CM employees as the problem. It ain't working for you.
"Council haters" makes me laugh:) I for one don't hate the council members. I just think they are making hasty decisions, have hugh egos, don't listen, think they know everything and that everyone besides them and their followers don't know anything. On the topic at hand...I'm hearing and reading about crime rising in the city. And I think it is because the council didn't listen to the experts they hired.
Wyatt Earp,
You continue to cite details of contract proposals that the PAST council allegedly declined that the public has never seen - and was probably discussed in closed session. That means it didn't happen as far as I'm concerned.
The 5% extended the contract for 4 years - no second tier is even possible until June 2014.
Everybody saw what happened on October 26, 2010, where Rieckhoff told the council that they were done negotiating. Everybody wants cooperation and mutual agreements - that is NOT what happened during the last negotiation - CMPA threatened litigation and refused to negotiate further.
Why do you keep misrepresenting what happened? Who does that benefit?
If CMPA wants to offer a second tier and the full 9%, why aren't they doing it now?
Please be aware, that school is full of drugs,alcohol and fights.
The Police gets called anyway. And the school staff can't leave the campus. Watch your children carefully and check on them. Even the "goody two shoe" kids and the sports kids are at risk. On the way to school on the way home.
Barry is Neanderthal Mensa, Costa Mesa's "other" blogger. The one obsessed with race.
Riggy gives Colin "Charlie" McCarthy some pointers on running for Council:
http://bilder.langweiledich.net/the_ventriloquist_short.jpg
It's interesting that they can hire a Public Affairs Manager and Communications Manager (5th floor executives) just before the second tier for general employees went into effect, but they can't hire Police Officers until there's a second tier for them. Priorities?
According to their own union, CMPD are highest paid in So Cal. No sympathy here.
Ok - reference hiring school security insteady police on campus..... Don't work. The SRO's already were augmented by school security before they were removed. So, when security now catches a student breaking the law; fighting, graffiti or stealing your kid's cell phone, the police will have to be called anyway. So we will be paying for private security to pick up the phone and call 911 because they cannot arrest or prosecute anybody. If you do not have kids, what that means is 1 to 2 of 8 officers patrolling the city will be at the public schools handling all the problems that occurr on a REGULAR DAILEY basis. It will be a fun school year for sure! Don't let your kid bring anything valuable to school - IT WILL GET STOLEN.
Hey Geoff, I don't know where you get your facts from, but crime doesn't go up in the City unless the non-elected, phone-dropping chest bumper says so, and the last time I checked he was very adament that crime was down and even invited the Chief of Police up to the podium to hear it from him, that all forms of crime are down.
And while we're on the subject, I thought that Messenger demanded that there be no more DUI check-points?
Really?....I encourage everyone reading this to do the research and find out this information for yourselves.
Here we go. First, I'm not sure what Reickoff may have said that causes you to believe the cops would stop negotiating and threaten litigation, but it does't surprise me you accuse others of misrepresentation. Associations are forbidden by law from refusing to negotiate. They can't refuse to negotiate, they can't declare an impasse and they can't impose a contract on the city. The city can do these things after certain criteria are met, but the association cannot.
The cops made a 26 point proposal to the city in June, 2010 in anticipation of the contract expiring at the end of August, 2010. Plenty of time to come to an agreement. Your city ignored the proposal until around October, 2010. By ignoring the proposal and refusing to negotiate, the city cost the taxpayers around $500,000.
The city made a counter offer that was agreed to by the association. That counter offer saved the city less money than what the cops 26 point proposal would have saved. The cops proposal included a second tier for new hires. Just because you don't believe it or it happened in closed session doesn't mean it didn't happen. Remember, Bever, Monahan and Leece were all part of that council.
A second tier can most certainly be agreed to before 2014. The city can ask to open the contract for that specific item and talk about it. Maybe in your research you should ask about it.
Really?, I again strongly encourage you and others to research this information for yourselves. Demand to know what happened from both your city and your cops.
Gosh, Sam-- what's this horseshit about "MY tax dollars"?? Once it becomes a "tax dollar", child, it is no longer "yours", but the public's. Just like the dollars you buy gas with, that after you buy the gas belong to Exxon or Shell, that money ain't yours no more, sonny.
Taxes were historically a gift freely given by a vassal to his lord. This is why tax bills always originate in the House in the U. S., or in Commons in Britain. The taxes you pony up are, theoretically, and in practice, such a gift. If you think they still belong to you, you are an indian-giver, and thus anti-social.
Tax money is freely spent by the lord (or in this case the city council) to provide for the common weal and the common defense. It's just our misfortune that the council sees fit to find so many places to defend itself, and ones that need so much money to defend. So if you're one of those schmucks who feel they have some vested interest in, or attachment to, the big bucks that our beloved city council is dumping down the latrine, I suggest humbly that you get behind some other council candidate who might kickback to you instead of Jones Day, and push for that person's election. But there is one thing I must caution you about: When the legal apparatus finds out about the kickbacks, you will likely have to take advantage of government-provided free room and board, at one of the insufficiently many barred hostels they have established.
Nice try Phil. I suppose you are referencing an obscure article written by the police association's attorney two contracts ago. I think Riggy mentioned it from the dais and Charlie McCarthy has mentioned the same article. Do a little research and you will se that CMPD is NOT the best paid or highest compensated agency on So. Cal. The cops don't need your sympathy, but you might try a little appreciation. After all somebody in this very blog (another thread) said Mansoor was the ideal candidate because Republicans appreciate law enforcement.
Bottom line....
This council is making choices that benefit ONLY themselves.
This city is suffering
Diogenes is correct. Council must prioritize spending and first on the list should be funds to provide for the common weal. (as opposed to the rarer striped weal). Weal all be better off with this shift in priorties. remember in november.
On the same day they are canceling the SRO's, they have seven cops show up to illegally arrest a lawful petition gatherer outside of Mother's market. All at the behest of Duarte, (we know who's pulling those strings). This petition gatherer is professional, libertarian, and litigious....Oh, and get this, represented by Orly Taizt. Why do we have so much money for attorney fees, but not for actual public safety and prevention?
http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2012/06/ojs-debbie-tharp-jailed-will-costa-mesas-war-on-free-speech-and-medical-pot-run-afoul-of-orly-taitz/
Diogenes, If you have seen my previous posts, I am against about 95% of what this current city council is doing. Since the city is low on officers, I would rather they be patrolling the streets than at the schools.
So the crux of the story is that they are removing SROs earlier than the end of the school year by two weeks but they will be back in the fall?
This seems pretty benign.
Why all the angst? Are we expecting a year end crime spree on campuses?
Short of some statistics that show not having SROs on campus the last two weeks of school causes an increase in gang initiations or an uptick in the drug dealer population in the community I think there are probably more interesting things to obsess about.
Of course, the silver lining for those concerned about this is that we may get some statistics that show a correlation between on campus SROs for the last two weeks of school and crime. But then again, you know what Mark Twain said: "Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable."
The reason this is happening is because the dept is still losing officers and is at a staffing level now that is affecting service in a noticable way.
The assoc has been willing to come to the table and work out a second tier pension plan but the council isn't going there because Righeimer has other plans that extreme staffing problems will help to impliment.
He wants to replace full time officers with part time reserve officers that will work for straight pay without benifits.
While many depts use some reserves in one capacity or another (Costa Mesa already does), to replace a high percentage of your patrol officers with part time employees will really make a mess of things.
There are still a number of officers that are waiting to see what happens in november. After that (depending), this dept may go drastically below operational levels and will be forced to hire anyone that can legally sit in a patrol car.
How anyone can think that's an acceptable idea is hard to believe.
As a parent of kids who don't go to public schools in this City it angers me that my tax dollars are going to pay police officers to sit in our schools. The police should be on the streets, not at our schools.
Monarch... you are a selfish, uneducated, turd of a person. I hope you didn't go to the same private school you send your kids to because clearly the education is not working.
When we put our kids in private school, we knew we'd still need to support and help the public schools.
The real point of all this is that our excellent police force has been stretched too thin and now crime is up, thanks to Riggy, Mensy, and their accomplices.
To the Monarchs...If something were to happen in one of the many private schools near Estancia, Officer Jess Gillman would probably be the first one on the scene. Yes, he's stationed at the school , but he has a car, and a radio. He actually has the entire surrounding area as his beat. Same for his counter part over at CM HS. They aren't "off duty" at the schools,, it's more like a "sub-station".
Squad 51,
Friends of mine have been volunteers for the OCSD for years. They do all sorts of things to augment the sworn officers.
Nobody seems to be complaining about those programs. How is using volunteers or reserves or any other type of more economically deployed personnel to augment and better leverage our deservedly well paid full time officers a bad deal?
valan,
Who is the "we" and "our" you keep mentioning is comments on charter. Robin needs to know asap.
Mr. Krochman.... "volnteers" and reserves are two different things completely.
And... You say augment, I said replace. There's a big difference between using reserves as a cost effective way to augment a fully staffed dept and using them in numbers to replace the full time positions.
That's what Righeimer would like to do and that will make for a crappy dept.
Q. Oui said...
valan,
Who is the "we"...
A.
This little riggy went to market,
This little riggy stayed home,
This little riggy had corned beef at skosh's,
This little riggy had none.
And this little riggy went...
"WEE WEE WEE" all the way home to a new city after Costa Mesa kicked his pig a$$ out!
Gericault,
Are you kidding? Council/Duarte has no say over how CMPD deploys or how they answer calls. If seven officers pulled up for a petition gatherer, take that up with the on-duty supervisors. That sounds like a total clkusterf@@k, and not council's doing.
Wyatt Earp,
I don't doubt that you are accurate, but coming on a blog and discussing details of labor negotiations when you know that the city cannot do the same is just not kosher. We have no idea why they turned down the CMPA 26 point proposal, and Rigeheimer/Mensinger were not on Council, so you cannot blame them or their philosphy.
Because we don't know any details of the 26 point proposal, or why the City did not find it acceptable - because those were closed session labor negotiations, we (the public) can only go on what we see and hear at council meetings.
I am all for a happy, cooperative, mutually beneficial relationship between CMPA and the City. Cops deserve excellent compensation and appreciation for their great work.
Because of that, I hold the CMPA leadership responsible for the fact that, at the October 26, 2010 special council meeting, the CMPA was NOT promoting a happy, cooperative, mutually beneficial relationship between CMPA and the City.
I also encourage everyone reading this to do the research. We need to work out a healthy agreement that is mutually beneficial. In order to do that, we all have to be honest. Please go back and watch the October 26, 2010 special council meeting and you will undestand why I am hesitant to believe the rosy, cooperative concession-ready stance you assert the CMPA was taking then.
Go to http://costamesa.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=4, select 2010 List of City Council Meetings, then select the Special City Council Meeting on October 26, 2010.
Clearly, they stated that they were done negotiating. Clearly, litigation was threatened. Watch for yourself.
Moving forward, I hope that a second-tier is implemented soon, and CMPD starts hiring so we can get back Vice, and other special details.
C'mon, We'll see.......The professional petition gatherer had already delivered a letter of her intention to the PD Laying out the case law that allowed her to exercise her constitutional right to be there. That was days ago. She was told , by the Police, that she was fine, and in compliance with the law. Then there was a sudden turnabout and the subsequent arrest. C'mon now, but of course this Council would NEVER stoop to micro-managing the Police, or getting involved with trying to squelch citizens rights to speak. Naaaaaaw, not them!
NO!
This is an awful decision!
I see the posters supporting this have a good understanding of secondary public education and the dynamics on campus- NOT!
Since this inept council and their followers are always holding up HB, Newport and Irvine as the great charter cities that Costa Mesa strives to be like...Do the schools in those cities have SRO's ?
Really? It is quite interesting that you wish to distance your boys from anything that occurred in October, 2010. In fact, you seem hell bent on blaming Reickoff and the cops for any differences.
It is interesting because you curiously don't address the fact your city completely ignored the offer, whatever the offer was, costing taxpayers $500,000.
Further, your boys want transparency. Yet you seem to not want that for previous issues. Hummmm. I can only think you know what they passed on and you don't want it coming out in the light of day.
Earp, "Really" also completely leaves out the fact that Monahan, Bever and Mansoor were on th council at that time and there was no doubt behind the scenes pressure to vote down any contract. In fact, word is that the plan was to stall negotiations as long as possible pending the election so that if/when Riggy was elected they could kill the contract and impose a contract. That plan failed. It failed because during negotiations, a tentative agreement was reached. That means after good faith negotiations, both sides agreed on terms and all that was necessary would be to ratify that agreement with a full council vote.
Riggy and crew although NOT in office did NOT want that to happen. They wanted to quash the tentative agreement and stall a vote until after the election. The problem is; once a tentative agreement is reached, going back to the table is considered "regressive bargaining" and violates the good faith in the bargaining. In fact, the only way the city could have gone back to the table at that point wold have been to vote down the TA and re trigger negotiations.
So, what "Really" is misrepresenting is that the city agreed to a contract in principle via a TA and Rieckhof simply said we have a TA which means we have reached a contract agreement and necessitates a vote. There was no "refusal" to negotiate further. Negotiations had taken place and that's what got that agreement to the public meeting and council vote.
Riggy and crew were clearly peeved because it killed their plans to run roughshod over the employees starting day one. Monahan didn't carry Riggy's water that day. He voted his conscience. He hasn't done so since. He looks like hell. Like a man tormented in his own skin.
Looks like it is budget season in an election year. Katrina Foley is planting stories to facilitate fear based budgeting.
Where are the Reserve Officers?
What is next, blue flu?
Time to.start talking to OC Sheriffs?
Fear is here...Reserve Officers? Blue flu? Are you trying a new tactic to turn the citizens against your cops? Not once has anything happened up to this point that points to anything like a blue flu. Your officers have always been there for the citizens through thick and thin, and they will continue to be. The only reason a blue flu would come about is if, and when, your unfab four on the council start their typical BS tactics against them.
Please, oh please start talking OC Sheriff's. This is what will happen if the city goes that route. Your service levels will fall precipitously (translation: alot) while all CMPD personnel hired by the OC Sheriff's or elsewhere will receive substantial pay increases (translation: alot) because OC Sheriff's earn more in pay and benefits that do CMPD Officers. It is a win for the CMPD cops and a total loss for the citizens of Costa Mesa. But, please keep that one going.
I think the City should get a proposal from the OC Sheriff. Would be good to compare. And if the PD Union does not agree to meaningful reform, it will be necessary to consider.
Nice to see Blue Flu is a recognized and validated tactic the PD Union considers.
I think Katrina is behind these stories popping up
Fear is here!
Reserve Officers? Please, while their help is appreciated, they are not a viable solution for the staffing shortages your council has imposed. This is what happens when a reckless council majority ignores all best advice on staffing, there is no wiggle room. CMPD officers wont and have NEVER initiated a "blue flu" but at this point with staffing and injuries maybe it feels like it to you Joe Citizen because there is often only 6 cops working patrol. As the Police force ages with no new generations coming in behind, many are "playing injured". Several are awaiting surgeries from IOD's just to try and hold out until others get back.
Back to the no pension, no benefit having Reserves that Riggy and Mensy would like to replace - not augment the force with well good luck with that...the PD recently had a recruitment flyer to try to hire Reserve Officers. A little over 150 applied. Of those, HR dumped those who didnt qualify just on application, leaving a little over 50. Of that, only something like 17 came to the written testing (first phase). Of those less than half passed the written test. There's still a physical, a couple of oral interviews, a medical, complete background and psyche eval to go. We'll be lucky to get a few. Then those that do make it will have to go through Field Training, which for a part-time Reserve Officer takes close to a year - if they succeed.
When its all said and done, out of over 150, we may see 1 or 2, or Nothing. If we do get anyone, there's a high likelihood they'll be gone at first chance at a full time gig anywhere.
We only hire Level 1 reserve officers, which means they have to have the same amount of training and able to function as a fully competent solo performing police officer would.
Gone are the days of a level 2 or level 3 with minimal investment and certainly gone are the I made my donation and was given a badge with which I can push my way around the airport.
HadEnuf, we get it, loud and clear. The question we have is "how will you look in green"?
We also want to know if "injured" means "fired", or "protesting"?
just cut the cops pensions already. enuff is enuff. eventually we will get some hometown heroes and the mercenaries will have fled for the $$'s to compton where it is safe.
Fearilicious!
So you big come back is "how will you look in green?"
Wow! I think someone else here wrote that if CMPD goes to OCSD they will get more money and benefits?
Is that what you want? Make up your mind. Do you want the cops getting more money or taking pay cuts?
If my job wanted to outsource me and give me more money and benefits then I would be all for it too.
This bickering back and forth is stupid. Just had to add my .02!
Fear, Fearbrication and Farbrilicicious...PLEASE start negotiating with OCSD. I would love to get out from under the thumb of this council and have a chance to get paid better. Not to mention, I can move to another city within the Sheriff's Dept. or the Harbor Patrol, or the bomb squad, or Air Support. You know career advancement options. That would be awesome.
Nice attempt to try to frighten us with that. Those that aren't looking to jump ship already, would welcome that transition with open arms.
Fearbracation....you guys brought it up. Will it ever be used? I doubt it. Will it be considered at some point? Maybe. Depends on what your unfab four does. So far their track record isn't so good. And again, please get a quote from OCSD. I would love for it to become common knowledge how much more money I would make under such a move.
All the inside cops. You say you have to consider so many candidates to get to the elite. Ok.
To gain credibility, please tell us , in the last 2 years, how many have had to be fired. Flat out fired.
You want to be truthful, and educate the masses?
How about all the facts!
Did anyone else see the Daily Pilot article dealing with this issue. The Estancia HS security sure seems to think this move is permanent.
OCGOP and its lackeys have an agenda, laid out long ago by Riggy in his testimony to Congress:
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/edu/hedcew5-24.000/hedcew5-24.htm
To advance their cause, Righeimer and Co. will do or say whatever it takes. Meanwhile, one of our employees is dead, city services and employee morale have greatly suffered, and crime is up.
They beat their chests and try to seize even more power with a bogus charter.
Luckily, more and more citizens are wise to this hustle. Mensinger and accomplices McCarthy and Monahan will be defeated in November.
What a lot of comments! Thanks for the information. Believe me, Wyatt and Erick your fact based info resonates.. Cheech, you're so right, SRO's who hang out eating doughnuts with kids pay off with a trust relationship that keeps the kids out of trouble and often heads off crime. Did DARE and SRO’s put crooks in jail? maybe not, but there are fewer crooks and junkies to put in jail. I know they helped a few young people I care deeply about.
Really? Rick, Barry and pals, why do you keep spewing your vitriol here? Do you understand how badly the coouncil is undermining the quality of life in this city? We aren't buying what you're selling. We being me and a lot of people I know. A lot are friends I thought would support this council but not anymore, they see right through them.
Oh yeah, that reminds me. Oui, didn't you hear? JIm finally told us who the "We" is. When I heard him I laughed so hard and so long. My word! did he think that helped his image? It was hilarious! I can't help but feel a little sorry for the guy, how sad he felt so alone he started to refer to himself as the imperial "we". He thought if he said "we" it would sound more inclusive! I don't care how many of him there are, no way am I going to trust him/them with a charter so he/they can screw with our city more. Oh wow, I start to laugh everytime I think about what he said. Boy, he sure told her! wow. I think it's about 10:20 on the tape, if you want to hear for yourself.
Wyatt Earp and Erick,
I don't know any details about any proposal - it wasn't public. I only know what is reported in the papers or discussed at council meetings.
Nothing was mentioned about any other agreements at the meeting, Monahan asked to negotiate further and Rieckhoff said no.
Tell me what is confusing about that? You can talk until you are blue in the face about what allegedly happened behind closed doors and what allegedly motivayed it.
All I care about is getting a deal done so we can get past this BS. Pay the employee share of your own pensions and immediately institute a realistic second tier. Continuing to reference closed door negotiations to try and paint the council in a bad light - when you know they can't do the same - is weak.
Thankfully thre "we" question has been answered! I thought they were going to have to 5150 Leffler and put her in a rubber room.. Hopefully that obsessive/compulsive era in her life is over...Don't let her know that Valantine is now using "we" and "our". "We" know who he means and it is not an issue for us but could set Robin off. Lisa, you nlaughed at Riggy for the "we"? What has been your reaction to Robin during all this? (crying for her mental health? laughing at her? WE want to know)
can't the malcontent cops just go find fellow madman Stavely and go fishing while complaining that council does not worship all of them? Cop antics last campaign may have a big part in this lack of hero worship they need, they should act more wisely this time around-the public sees their $$ grab. Victorious council electeds will remember your smear campaign forever and may vote accordingly far into the future. Remember this, remember in november and the next november, and the next labor negotiations: actions have consequences, even for cops. Candidates endorsed or given money to by cops or firemen are DOA to the voters. We see you.
"Really"- That exchange I laid out DID happen in public. Rieckhof said we have a TA with the city which necessitates a vote (up or down). If voted in, contract accepted, if down, negotiation begins anew. Keep in mind, the city had made a tentative agreement in closed session which is what got to the exchange you keep referencing in open session. Your boys although not yet elected, appointed or even seated were trying to game the system. Doing so would have put the city in a poor legal position and they got called on it. Sounds like you are bitter about following the rules.
"Fear Born " I never mentioned hiring, and no one ever used the word "elite". What he other guy talked about was minimum standards. Do some cops some times do stupid stuff? Yes. They are as fallible as any human being. Has CMPD irked a couple people in the last few years because hey did stupid stuff? Yes. What's your point? They lost their job for their bad acts.
Why are the troll posts originating from an office in Orange?
Riggy and his gang don't listen to you or care at all what you peons think. They go to skosh's, drink, and laugh at you.
Erick,
If the 26 point proposal was the TA, why doesn't the actual amendment voted on - the side letter agreement - reflect that proposal? Again, no one knows anything about the details of the 26 point proposal.
Really?....I don't think anyone said the 26 point proposal was the TA. My understanding is the 26 point proposal from the cops was the one the city ignored for almost 4 months costing taxpayers $500,000. The TA was a counter proposal presented to the cops by the city. The cops agreed to the counter proposal, hence the TA.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone else find it interesting the city splits the cost of the SRO's with the school district while South Coast Plaza pays nothing towards the cost of the officers assigned there on private property? Even Disney pays the full cost of the officers assigned to the Downtown Disney detail. If this council is so intent on running the city like a business, does this make good business sense?
Really- the 26 point proposal was not the TA. The 26 point proposal was rejected and negotiation followed. The byproduct of he negotiation was the TA. Make a CAPRA request of the city. I'm sure they have the proposal on file.
I don't think Jim has answered the "we" question yet. Did he have discussions with himself? He made too many references to conversations with others on the night he introduced his charter and in his interview with California CEO magazine for me to completely accept his to explanation that his "we" means "I". That would be too weird, anyway. I don't think he's deranged that way.
So, I probably will pursue the question and hope eventually that the public gets some reasonable Ex Parte disclosure before the next election. We -the voters, the residents, the people of Costa Mesa- deserve to know who influenced Jim’s version of a charter before we are asked to vote on it. I guess we’ll see who “We” are in November!
I don’t mind the snarky comments. In fact, it’s encouraging to those of us who dare to speak to the council when comments devolve to the personal level. If we weren’t hitting a nerve, they wouldn’t bother. So, thanks for the negativity – I’ll take that as validation that we- many of my friends and I- are making some people uncomfortable and defensive. What do they have to hide? Are we really so significant that our questions must be deflected and the individuals who ask them undermined? I’m encouraged.
Robin, the "we" question does hit a nerve, you are correct. the sympathy for you nerve. you sound deranged. honestly, give it up for your sake. it is your perpetual shiny object. ask your friends how stupid it looks. we don't mind you and your constant whining and complaining and half truths-they are great theatre. Not only here but in HB where you take your act against the city. and sometimes you are even correct on something which pains us- but all in all we are glad you caught it. But the "we" stuff makes you seem "crazy". In November your group goes down in flames, we know you realize that. R2R showing 6 years ago will trump yours. The council has the big edge on the wedge issue of pensions this time. Absolutely a freight train coming at you. You are in denial, you think you hit nerves, you think we are defensive. So wrong. Total confidence lives here, we laugh at cm4rg actually. But not you personally, you seem nice enough. But obsessive/compulsive. Get well soon.
I think COLON has a crush on Robin..
The Riggclones don't want to tell us who pulls their strings. We know who most of them are anyway. Did Riggy ever pay that 200K arbitration award to his ex attorneys? Is he running his personal business like a city? haha!
OCD: Picking on wage earners at the airport by using a fake sheriff's badge
Give it up Oui. Remember the French hate the Germans.
Oui is Shrek Fitzpatrick. Does he have a job?
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