Sunday, April 06, 2008

Gangs - Drumbeat Of Lies Muffles The Truth

GANGS TO BE STUDIED - AGAIN
At their
study session on Tuesday, April 8th, members of the Costa Mesa City Council will consider, among other things, proposals from representatives of the Costa Mesa Police Department about their plans to manage the gang issue in our city. You may recall that the council majority rejected a proposal to fund an intervention element last year, restricting the police department's activities to enforcement only. As I've stated many times, enforcement alone will not solve the gang problem. I can tell you that from first-hand experience. The neighborhood where I grew up in Los Angeles is now dealing with it's fourth generation of one gang - Los Avenues - and they are more vicious than ever.

NO DETAILS AVAILABLE
We really don't know what the CMPD has in mind this time around because the staff report, such as it is, tells us only that the issue will be presented, with no details. I guess we'll just have to wait until Tuesday at 4:30 in Conference Room 1A to see what they have up their sleeves.

MISINFORMATION SPREAD

In the meantime, sources of misinformation around town are howling about this event, proclaimin
g that it will be another plot by "lefties" to make Costa Mesa a sanctuary city for illegal aliens. As is usually the case, this blather is pure fabrication, intended to further inflame a difficult situation in our city.

BULLDOZING THE "PROB
LEM"
There are folks who think the one-third of our population that are Latino are the root of all problems in our city and the solution is to bulldoze apartment buildings occupied predominantly by immigrants - usually Latino immigrants. Apparently they feel that if you can't use legal means to discourage these folks from living in our city, then it's OK to chase them out using the blade of a Caterpillar D9 as motivation.


LATINO GANGS THE ONLY PROBLEM? NOT!

Another little bit of self-serving fiction being foisted off on r
esidents is that Costa Mesa gangs are primarily and overwhelmingly Latino, and that the members have strong links to illegal aliens. Horse manure! Yes, there are Latino gangs in Costa Mesa. Yes, some probably know illegal aliens through their cultural ties. However, ask any Costa Mesa cop familiar with the gang issue and he will tell you that White Supremacist gangs are a huge problem in this city. They are much more dangerous to the general populace than the Latino gangs might be. They are heavily engaged in the drug trade and identity theft, infiltrating financial institutions and harvesting personal data. Those who spread misinformation about gangs won't tell you that... I wonder why?

A PLAN FOR ALL GANGS NEEDED
I hope the study session presents to the city council options for dealing with all gangs in Costa Mesa and I hope they will give very serious consideration to the funding and implementation of an intervention element this time around. You simply cannot "enforce" gangs out of existence - a fact to which every credible student of this subject will agree.

LIAR, LIAR...
Meanwhile, the drumbeat of intolerance continues to attempt to drown out the truth with a steady stream of lies and fabrications... You'll probably be able to tell who the purveyor of these lies is if you attend the study session - he'll be the guy with his trousers aflame.

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27 Comments:

Anonymous CMHS Parent said...

A good friend of ours is involved in law enforcement and through his job has firsthand experience with gangs in Costa Mesa. He used to live here in Costa Mesa until his sons reached High School age. He opted to move to south county so that his sons would not be targeted by gangs in school. The gangs that worried him? White supremacist gangs. When I asked him if I should be concerned about my kids being targeted by latino gangs his response was that they were highly unlikely to pick on white kids. It isn’t their MO. The White Supremacist gangs however are bad news and far more likely to endanger a non-white students than non-white gangs are likely to attack white students.

I am very appreciative of the police resource officers that are allocated to the Costa Mesa campus. It may violate my Mayberry RFD view of how life should be in our little suburb, but I would rather have someone providing some intervention effort than none. I hope the City Council gets over their penchant for enforcement only activities and realizes, as their experts have told them in the past, that maintaining a beachhead against gang growth and activity requires a multifaceted approach that includes enforcement and interdiction.

4/07/2008 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

cmhs parent, thanks for your comment and validation of my view of this situation. One can only hope that our elected leaders will address ALL gang issues during their study session tomorrow.

4/07/2008 10:32:00 AM  
Anonymous CM resident said...

Geoff,

I have no idea what the white supremacist gang problem is in Costa Mesa, as the Hispanic/Latino gang problem is the most active publicly and is the most visible.

The CMPD itself has stated that we have active Hispanic/Latino street gangs, and much of the high profile, violent crime on the Westside has been attributed to Hispanic/Latino gang activity.

I am not doubting what CMHS parent or your law enforcement sources are telling you about white supremacist gang activity, but pretending that Hispanic/Latino gangs are not a serious problem and a danger to the public is not a wise strategy.

We should focus our police resources on ALL gangs, REGARDLESS OF RACE. That includes the brazen taggers and gang-bangers shooting up the Westside, stabbing people, and fighting in the streets AS WELL AS the white supremacists engaged in whatever criminal activities they are engaged in.

Giving ANY criminal group ANY leeway due to ANY perceived racial tension in this city is absolutely inexcusable.

4/07/2008 12:15:00 PM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

cm resident,

There is no doubt we have a Latino gang problem in Costa Mesa. Your last paragraph says it all...

4/07/2008 12:27:00 PM  
Anonymous CMTRUTH said...

CM resident said...

Geoff,

I have no idea what the white supremacist gang problem is in Costa Mesa, as the Hispanic/Latino gang problem is the most active publicly and is the most visible.

"IGNORANCE IS BLISS"

The CMPD itself has stated that we have active Hispanic/Latino street gangs, and much of the high profile, violent crime on the Westside has been attributed to Hispanic/Latino gang activity.

"I WONDER IF THATS DUE TO THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION BEING HISPANIC, IE IF YOU LOOK AT THE VIOLENT CRIM ON THE EAST SIDE YOU FIND ITS MAINLY WHITES.

I am not doubting what CMHS parent or your law enforcement sources are telling you about white supremacist gang activity, but pretending that Hispanic/Latino gangs are not a serious problem and a danger to the public is not a wise strategy.

"AGAIN IGNORANCE IS BLISS"

We should focus our police resources on ALL gangs, REGARDLESS OF RACE. That includes the brazen taggers and gang-bangers shooting up the Westside, stabbing people, and fighting in the streets AS WELL AS the white supremacists engaged in whatever criminal activities they are engaged in.

Giving ANY criminal group ANY leeway due to ANY perceived racial tension in this city is absolutely inexcusable.

"WHAT IS INEXCUSABLE TO ME IS THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE MANY RESIDENTS IN CM HAVE RE: GANGS & THE LIFESTYLE."

"THE WHITE GANGS IN CM ARE A HUGE PROBLEM & OF COURSE THEY ARE NOT AS VISIBLE BECAUSE THEY AR EBUSY COOKING METH IN THE MANY HOTEL/MOTELS ON NEWPORT BLVD & HARBOR BLVD., WHO THEN IN TURN SELL IT TO YOUR WHITE KIDS, PLEASE GET A CLUE"

4/07/2008 12:57:00 PM  
Anonymous CMTRUTH said...

here is a link that EVERYONE should watch all the parts to see whats up with white power gangs in CM & of course it took UK man to come here to report it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwBAaW403v4

4/07/2008 02:54:00 PM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

CAUTION!!!

If you choose to visit the link provided by CM Truth you do so at your own peril. The content of the YouTube film - around 10 minutes of video - will make you cringe.

The video is by British actor and documentarian Ross Kemp. The link provided takes you to part 1 of his series on White Supremacist Gangs in Orange County and features Costa Mesa cops and gang members. Once at the link you can view the other 4 segments of that particular presentation.

Again, viewing these videos, each of which is around 10 minutes, should not be done lightly. The images are graphic and the language is coarse.

That being said, anyone who makes light of White Supremacist gangs in Costa Mesa needs to view part 1, at least.

4/07/2008 06:39:00 PM  
Anonymous CM resident said...

CMtruth,

The police know who the white supremacists are, where they are staying, and what they are doing. They are in the system and on parole. There is no doubt that they are bad dudes, but don't give me this "ignorance is bliss" nonsense or tell me that the vast majority of violent gang crime in Costa Mesa is anything but Hispanic/Latino gang crime.

White supremacist gangs may kill because you are the wrong color. Hispanic/Latino gangs may kill you because you are from the wrong block. Hispanic/Latino gangs in LA seek out African Americans to execute, including young girls.

Killing is killing, a horrible crime against humanity. Don't give me this your gang is worse than my gang nonsense. Fight all gangs, and don't cut any of them any slack.

As for ignorance? I see street gang graffitti in my neighborhood, and it isn't swastikas. Hispanic/Latino gangs are a serious, constant problem in Costa Mesa. I have seen a teenage boy bleeding to death on Hamilton. He was shot by a Hispanic/Latino gang-banger. THAT IS REALITY.

4/07/2008 09:25:00 PM  
Anonymous CMTRUTH said...

& what does this gang graffiti you see say?
i'm willing to bet what you MISTAKE as gang graffiti is actually the work of taggers & not gang members. can you even name the gangs in costa mesa? & if you know anything about gangs you would also know that as far as gangs go CM is the laughing stock of OC gangs.

4/08/2008 05:11:00 PM  
Anonymous CMTRUTH said...

QUOTE :"Hispanic/Latino gangs in LA seek out African Americans to execute, including young girls."

wow, i now know you have no idea what your talking about.

4/08/2008 05:13:00 PM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

cmtruth, it would be helpful to this debate if you would provide some documentation with your assertions, specifically, the names of the Costa Mesa gangs. And why is it you feel they are the "laughingstock of the OC gangs". Do you have personal knowledge? As to cm resident's comment about Latino gangs seeking out blacks, that is an accurate statement. I mentioned in my post, the area of LA in which I grew up is still teeming with gang activity. Los Avenues has stalked, terrorized, threatened, beat and murdered blacks in that area of the city - a fact that has been documented in the press in the recent past.

4/08/2008 07:50:00 PM  
Anonymous CMTRUTH said...

it's a blanket fact, yes blacks were beat & shot, but was it actually racial? no, it has to do with drug trade, if the russians were selling drug of choice A & not the blacks, people would be saying thatlatinos are targeting the russians, it's a half truth to be exact.
& as for mentioning the names of the gangs i will as soon as the other person responds to waht this supposed gang graffiti they see is.

as why they are the laughing stock, they pull no weight in OC, go to any other city in OC with a gang problem return to costa mesa & tell me the few kids who claim a hood in cm are a gang "problem"

as ive stated before, costa mesa real problem is on the east side btwn 22nd & fair / newport to elden

i for one would much rather pass a latino man who happens to be drunk on his way home from the bar on the west side than a meth head tweeker on the east side.
and ive lived on both sides of costa mesa & am much happier on the west side of town.

4/08/2008 09:26:00 PM  
Anonymous CMTRUTH said...

"When I asked him if I should be concerned about my kids being targeted by latino gangs"

this is exactly the same kind of fear that got us into iraq, damn the media!

4/08/2008 09:29:00 PM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

cmtruth, you've got your "facts" wrong. The incidents of which I wrote were specifically about race - Latino gang members against blacks. The blacks in question were just folks, trying to live their lives in an area the Latinos claimed as their turf.

Your last comment is very strange, indeed. If the parties in that conversation felt there was real reason to be concerned how do you blame that on the media and what relevance can that possibly have to us being in Iraq?

4/08/2008 11:37:00 PM  
Anonymous CMTRUTH said...

cmtruth, you've got your "facts" wrong. The incidents of which I wrote were specifically about race - Latino gang members against blacks. The blacks in question were just folks, trying to live their lives in an area the Latinos claimed as their turf.

OK< IM TYPING IN CAPS SO YOU CAN TELL MY COMMENTS FROM THE ABOVE.
THE CASE YOU POSTED, THE FACTS YOU READ ARE WRONG, WERE THE VICTIMS BLACK YES, BUT IT WAS DEEPER THAN RACE< THERE IS A BIGGER PICTURE AT PLAY HERE THAT I CANT GO INTO ON THIS BLOG, BUT I CAN TELL YOU RACE WAS HARDLY THE FACTORS AT PLAY IN THE AVENUES CASE.

Your last comment is very strange, indeed. If the parties in that conversation felt there was real reason to be concerned how do you blame that on the media and what relevance can that possibly have to us being in Iraq?

WHAT I MEANT BY THIS WAS THE FACT THAT THE MEDIA PLAYS UP MATTERS TO MAKE PEOPLE THINK THE PROBLEMS ARE WORSE THAN THEY ARE, HOW WOULD THE PERSON EVEN KNOW THAT GANGS IN CM HIGH SCHOOLS MIGHT BE A PROBLEM, IF OUR LOCAL MEDIA & CITY COUNCIL DIDNT BEEF UP STATISTICS TO HELP THEIR ULTIMATE AGENDA? ITS THE SAME KIND OF TACTICS OUR MEDIA & GOVT. USED RE GOING TO WAR, PLAY THE THREAT UP WAY BEYOND WHAT IT REALLY IS & AMERICA THRIVES ON FEAR, ITS SAD REALLY.

4/09/2008 09:48:00 AM  
Anonymous CMHS Parent said...

CM Truth,
I believe your jump to this conclusion was obviously due to some sort of personal bias on your part.

My question to my friend was in the context of known gang activity and was a response to his assertion that latino gangs were not a major concern for his kids. I won't identify his kids racial makeup, but rest assured the context of the question was not based on MSM fear mongering in any way.

If you have any authoritative information please share, otherwise your observations are becoming depreciated by your continued lack of factual data.

4/09/2008 10:22:00 AM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

cmtruth, I direct your attention to the following link: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=722. This will take you to a report by the Southern Poverty Law Center specifically discussing the issue at hand. I cannot post a "hot link" in the comments, so you will have to copy and paste this link into your browser to access the article. When you read it you will find that Los Avenues members do, in fact, attack and murder blacks simply because they are black.

4/09/2008 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

cmtruth, that darn link didn't copy... here it is again:
www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=722

4/09/2008 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous CMTRUTH said...

pot stirrer, i have seen that article & again it only touches the surface of the actual matter at hand.
like i have stated if the russians for example were running drug of choice A, that article would be a different story. the orders stem from prison & drugs is the root of it not race. & that is a fact.

4/09/2008 10:56:00 AM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

cmtruth, are you trying to tell me that the murder of that young black man, sleeping on his new futon, was a "drug" issue? C'mon, my friend. Based on the information I've read at the SPLC site and in the Los Angeles Times coverage, there IS NO QUESTION that this was a racially motivated killing. I'm sorry, but I'm just not going to take your word for your view of this without evidence to support it. It may be your opinion and it may be based on facts "not yet in evidence" as they say on television, but if you're going to convince me and others posting here you need to provide more info.

4/09/2008 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous CMTRUTH said...

the latino/black thing is drug related. there was a major ring robbed & people died. the orders came down from above to "ruin" the drug trade for the blacks by getting them out of the neighborhoods & any hood that followed these orders got favors inside. & at the time the avenues were in jeopardy of losing their status inside & that was a futile effort to amend the situation due to "taxes" not being paid to the right people.

check out the inthehat blog spot sometime might help you understand how all this works a little better.

4/09/2008 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous CMTRUTH said...

for obvious reasons im not going to elaborate anymore on the latino/black situation, all i can tell you is the lapd knows whats really going on & so do the california prison system. it could be they dont the public to know how much power comes from inside & that all the major gangs & drug trade are ran from 4 key organizations in prison.
& thanks for providing this blog & having the will to stand up to the madness that has become costa mesa, i for one applaud you on a job well done.

4/09/2008 11:44:00 AM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

cmtruth, thanks for the expansion of your thoughts.... I did go to the blog you mentioned... it's way, way to voluminous to tackle right now, but will find time to review it later. I did notice that there have been no posts for 6 months.... is there any significance to that? I ask because the last post leads one to believe that the blog author may be in trouble...

I appreciate your kind words about my blog. I don't intend to broaden my focus beyond Costa Mesa and Newport Beach. The exception would be to those subjects relevant to one or the other - or both - like freeways and John Wayne Airport. I understand that gangs are regional issues that individual cities try to combat the best they can. I also understand how difficult that can be. I have many friends and acquaintances in law enforcement who share stories from time to time.

If, at any time, you prefer to communicate with me beyond the blog there is an email address on my Profile page. For those who have done so in the past I guarantee the privacy of their identities.

Thanks, again, for playing in my sandbox.

4/09/2008 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous cm resident said...

cmtruth,

Absolutely, there are many aspects of the racial conflict that are driven by prison influences and the drug trade. Hoever, if you are trying to tell me that their IS NO racism or racial hatred between ethnic gangs trying to kill rival ethnic gangs, and that Costa Mesa's efforts to identify illegal immigrant criminals IS racist and motivated by racial hatred, you have lost all credibility. I can understand why you are posting anonymously as well.

You essentially give the murderous war between Black and Latino gangs a pass because, really, it is just about the drug trade and controlled from prison. Then you say that "madness" has taken over Costa Mesa, and that "madness is because we have an ICE agent in our jail and do not promote illegal employment practices.

cmtruth, you are one SERIOUSLY morally confused person.

Madness is Jamiel Shaw, a Black high school football star heading for Stanford, with a Mom serving her country in Kuwait, who is gunned down close to his house by a HISPANIC/LATINO ILLEGAL ALIEN GANG MEMBER 28 hours out of jail.

Jamiel Shaw was executed because he was Black. That is racism. That is a hate crime. Your pathetic attempts to string together theories and conspiracies to explain away any racism that isn't from WHITE people is just about as disingenuous as it gets.

4/09/2008 04:54:00 PM  
Anonymous CM(you can't handle)TRUTH said...

cm resident.

i dont give it a pass, it is what is & obviously it's to much to swallow in your little bubble.

you have 0 idea what your talking about. & i'll say it again the only reason race is an issue is because one is black & one is latino & it stems from other factors that DO NOT have any thing what so ever to do with race. but its not really worth getting into with you as you've shown you don't really know anything other than what you read in the paper & hear on the news.

costa mesa's decision to enforce ICE was racially motivated by our mayor & his racist band of fools he sits with on the council.

& last i checked the blck/latino issue has nothing to do with costa mesa at the moment.

did you cop "buddy" get back to yet w/ the names of costa mes gangs? or can you please enlighten us with what this graffiti you see all over town says?

how am i morally confused again?

4/13/2008 09:27:00 PM  
Anonymous CMTRUTH said...

you dont have to post this, but i wanted to let you know i started a blog myself. i'm tired & i'm fed up with the current situation as are you.
my focus is going to be on mallard & the likes & how misinformed they actually are.
enjoy & thanks for the inspiration

http://cmtruth.blogspot.com/

4/15/2008 04:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Lloyd Lofthouse said...

I taught in the public schools for thirty years. The schools where I taught were in a Barrio.

I witnessed drive by shootings from one of my classroom's doorways as school was letting out.

One night when I was working with the editors of the school paper (I was the advisor)— a hard-core gang member was shot-gunned as he cut across the campus in the dark and out the gate next to the classroom we were in.

You are right to make the case that Latino gangs are not the problem.

There are gangs for every racial group. The gangs around the high school where I taught for more than twenty years were Latino gangs, but on the other side of the district and on the other side of the 60 Freeway were the Asian gangs. In the opposite direction were the Cripps and Bloods, the black gangs.

Early in my teaching career, I taught the children of Hell's Angels, who owned one block in the Latino Barrio near the grade school where I taught. Their kids were the quietest so was that block of houses where the Latino gang members would not go even though it was in the middle of the turf they claimed.

The members of the Asian gangs dressed conservatively and earned good grades. Many of their parents were professionals like doctors or engineers but they were more dangerous than the Latino gangsters I taught but that's another story.

5/05/2010 10:05:00 AM  

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