Thursday, July 17, 2008

White Gangs, Aliens on Bikes and a Windbag

Despite what you hear from certain venues in the north side of our town, there really are white gangs in our town. One local blogger - an obnoxious windbag who does his literary pontificating from a cave in Mesa North - specifically ignores that fact during his many frequent rants about gangs in our city. I wonder why that is?

Daily Pilot reporter Joseph Serna wrote a fascinating story yesterday, HERE, in which he tells us about the arrest of three purported members of Public Enemy Number 1 (PEN1) following an unprovoked attack on a Latino man who was driving along Bristol Street. I'll let you read the story yourself - it's very amusing - particularly the part about how the woman in the trio was apprehended. Obviously, gangsters are not rocket scientists.

The point here is that this is just one of many examples of the existence of predatory, vicious white gangs in our city, despite what the windbag says. You will recall that we've written a few times about the county-wide sweep a couple years ago that landed 20 White Supremacists at 17 locations in Costa Mesa. That sweep snagged nearly sixty White Supremacists county-wide. That a third of them were found in our city is very relevant.

Further on the law enforcement front, Orange County Register reporter Niyaz Pirani, in his periodic police report, tells us that at 5:20 a.m. on Saturday, July 12th a 37-year-old gentleman named Gerardo Cardenas of Costa Mesa was arrested on suspicion of a traffic violation and riding without a bicycle headlight on Paularino Avenue and is currently being held on an ICE hold.

Looking further in the summary of crimes in Costa Mesa we found Mario Munoz-Tonix, 26, also of Costa Mesa, arrested at 8:40 a.m. on July 9th under suspicion of riding a bicycle without a license and is on an ICE hold.

We also found that 36 year-old Sergio Estrada Estrada was arrested at 10:20 a.m on July 11th on suspicion of riding a bicycle without a license and is currently on an ICE hold.

And, I'm sure we all recall the first "dangerous bike rider", the Sunday School teacher who was snatched up for riding his bike the wrong way on a residential street, taken to the jail and deported.

You will recall the hoopla by then-mayor Allan Mansoor a couple years ago when he told us his ICE proposal was intended to remove dangerous alien felons from our streets. You may also recall that I told you at the time that his proposal was just a smoke screen to expunge brown skins from our city. Well?.....

Let me ask you... do you feel a whole lot safer tonight knowing that those dangerous bicycle riders, Cardenas, Estrada and Munoz-Tonix, are off the streets? Will you now be able to walk the streets safely with those men - who were likely riding the bikes to their jobs - incarcerated and awaiting deportation?

I find myself wondering just what the marching orders are that the good men and women of the Costa Mesa Police Department are working under that would prompt them to snatch up bicycle riders? And, are they looking at every bicycle being ridden through our city for licensing violations? Do they stop the kids on the way to Newport Harbor High School or Horace Ensign Middle School? I think we know the answer to that question.

As I predicted, the so-called "improver" majority - Mansoor, Bever and Leece - have permitted this city to become a de facto police state. They, through their actions, have polarized members of he Latino community in our city - egged on by the windbag mentioned above. I'm not proud of the course being followed in our city. I'm not proud that it's been turned into a bastion of intolerance.


As I was about to publish this entry I notice that the windbag mentioned above has posted another rant on his blog. This time he's instructing the Daily Pilot on how to run their business. This "wisdom" was obviously gleaned from his wonderful experience playing - quite badly, by the way - an anonymous reporter in a mid-70s cult movie that sold five or six tickets and may be had for two bucks at

Scattered through his list of suggestions to the management of the Daily Pilot are a few that are quite obviously self-serving. He suggests, for example, that the editors accept "short, anonymous comments" on their articles. Ever since the Pilot began requiring registration this guy - apparently unwilling to be identified with his comments - lost a forum for his vicious, irrelevant mini-rants which he would post under many "pen names", sometimes on the same comment thread, in an attempt to fool readers into thinking his views were widely held.

After embracing anonymity, in the next suggestion he turns around and complains about the Pilot linking to Community Blogs that are published anonymously. These, of course, have been very critical of him and his blog. He can't have it both ways...

And, in his last suggestion, he would require the Pilot to provide more ICE and immigration coverage - no surprise there.

I'm sure the editors of the Daily Pilot will give his suggestions all the attention they deserve...

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Geoff, I think it is fascinating that you have been loudly advocating for banning all fireworks while bemoaning the "police state" Costa Mesa has allegedly become. To quote you - you "can't have it both ways."

Who knows why CMPD is cracking down on bicyclists - perhaps because there are a lot of bicyclists riding on major streets in the early morning or late at night without proper lighting, and are safety hazards?

Bottom line is that illegal is illegal. For one who so stridently advocates criminalizing a long-standing traditional celebration of our nation's independence - you should be on board with strict enforcement of the law.

Truth is, illegal immigration is FAR more harmful to Costa Mesa's citizenry than fireworks. More people and property are injured or damaged by unlicensed and uninsured (illegal immigrant) drivers than by fireworks, and that is a fact.

As for Mr. Millard and his CM Press, he must not have read his own post - calling for the reinstatement of anonymous comments while demanding that anonymous bloggers be removed is hilarious!

I have asked that his blog be removed, as he routinely attacks and insults people without allowing comments on his blog. He calls anonymous bloggers cowards while acting, in my opinion, in a similarly cowardly manner by not allowing the targets of his insults an opportunity to rebut or respond. Amazing...

7/17/2008 12:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mansoor's proposal was for removing dangerous felons. It never was implemented, to the shouts of joy from many in the pro illegal alien crowd. They said it was a federal issue and the ICE agent in our jail, being from the Feds, was the right way to proceed, not Mansoor's way. Now, as we all know, everyone, not just felons, is screened at the jail. A bike riding infraction probably does not result in someone being taken to jail and put on ICE hold. There is more to the story. You know that, don't you? I would not say I feel safer that bike riders committing infractions are being removed from our city. I would have to know what else happened that made them end up in jail. If it was something like identity theft, yeah I feel safer from that. Is removing illegal aliens ok with you or do you oppose it? As for the white gangs, if they commit crimes throw the book at them, especially if they are targeting people based on skin color.

7/17/2008 01:54:00 PM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

Rob, in my view fireworks and illegal immigration are two completely and unrelated issues. For you to follow the lead of some of the anonymous posters on the Daily Pilot blog to try to divert the focus of the subject by changing it to something completely irrelevant is disappointing. It's a tactic used by folks without the skills to present an opposing viewpoint, and that's not you.

You postulate that illegal immigration is far more harmful to Costa Mesa's citizenry - an opinion not supported by fact. Tell me the numbers, don't just toss out your opinion trying to pass it off as factual. You well know that I'm willing to hear an opposing view on any subject, but not one founded on unsubstantiated "facts".

Yes, Millard's most recent post demonstrates his hypocrisy better than most of the stuff he has written. What a pathetic waste of a brain...

7/17/2008 02:10:00 PM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

Commissioner Jim, your comment and my response to Rob passed in the ether like ships in the night. Mansoor's proposal was to cross-designate every single Costa Mesa police officer as an immigration screener, thereby permitting them to perform that duty in the field and making them de facto Federal Immigration agents. That is not the job of local law enforcement. Monahan convinced the council to piggyback the Sheriff's proposal to ICE, which put Mansoor's scheme on hold.

I don't know what prompted an ICE agent to be placed in our jail, but I'm not in disagreement with his presence. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mansoor's buddy, Dana Rohrabacher, used his influence to have he ICE agent assigned to our jail to bolster Mansoor's political future. What I do disagree with is the heavy-handedness of stopping men on bikes and, when found to be riding an unlicensed bicycle, dragging them off to jail and putting an ICE hold on them. Do you think this would happen to you or me if we happened to be riding an unlicensed bike? Of course not! The officer would warn us that bikes are to be licensed and we'd be sent on our way. Maybe the men arrested didn't have identification, you say? So what?! There is no license required to ride a bicycle, only to license the bike itself. Unless you're driving a motor vehicle - which does require a license - no one is required to carry identification with them and a person cannot be hauled off to jail because they fail to present ID. Are we going to place a team of officers on the local bike paths to ticket residents of other cities as they ride through our town on unlicensed bikes on the way to the ocean?

You allude to there being "more to the story". Maybe there is - do you know the whole story? Will you share it? Your innuendo implies that one or more of those bike riders might be dangerous felons - were they?

7/17/2008 02:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Fair enough - but my point was about the alleged "police state" which is applicable to ALL actions where law enforcement exercises authority over citizens and non-citizens alike. They are separate issues, but the end result is exactly the same - police impinging on freedom.

Some voices in the community simply detest fireworks, and have used all kinds of specious arguments and totally unsupported claims in their efforts to get them banned. Your efforts to get them banned focused on "safety" issues.

Illegal immigration is also a strongly debated subject, yet those on the side of enforcing the law don't have to utilize specious arguments and unsupported claims - the truth IS on our side.

To ban fireworks, you challenged fireworks supporters to attend the funeral of a child killed by fireworks or visit grievously injured children in the hospital. You also posted a photograph of someone's hand that had allegedly been blown off by fireworks. You failed to mention that that injury could not have been caused by a safe and sane firework sold in Costa Mesa. You were advocating for your opinion, as am I, but even Byron took you to task for the graphic photos.

Your purpose? To deny citizens of Costa Mesa the right to use fireworks to celebrate the 4th of July, as they have been safely doing for 50-plus years. It is hard to think of a more heinous example of a "police state" than cops arresting kids for using safe and sane fireworks on the 4th of July.

My facts are anecdotal, but still accurate. If you read the Daily Pilot every day, as I do and have done for 25-plus years, you often come across articles about traffic accidents involving unlicensed and uninsured drivers. I specifically remember two such accidents on 19th street, one which knocked a woman with a stroller into an adjacent parking lot! There are more, and I would be happy to run news searches when I have the time. Point is - fireworks in Costa Mesa are less dangerous to our society than illegal immigrants.

"Safety" reasons alone should have you screaming from the rooftops to get all unlicensed, uninsured and untrained illegal immigrants off our roads immediately!

Finally, Jim has a point - lets not assume that the reason for going to jail was a bike infraction. There is usually something else going on. You may be right, but we don't know - so let's not assume the worst of the CMPD.

7/17/2008 02:49:00 PM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

Rob, I don't intend to debate fireworks on this post - that train has left the station and any attempt to muddle THIS issue by trying to entangle it with fireworks won't work. We disagree on that issue and have flogged it sufficiently - stay focused on the subject at hand.

I'm not criticizing the CMPD - I'm just curious about their marching orders - those that would drag bicycle riders to jail, awaiting deportation. I need to understand that better.

Anecdotes are opinion, not facts. Yes, I, too, have read about traffic accidents caused by folks apparently here illegally. I've read about many, many more caused by citizens. I am a firm believer that ALL dangerous felons should be removed from our streets - not just those with brown skins.

Commissioner Jim's point is only innuendo unless he can back it up with facts. He, of all people, doesn't want innuendo to become the order of the day here - trust me!

You're welcome to continue this debate about the bike riders or illegal immigration in general on this post. If you attempt to muddle issue with fireworks I'll simply reject your comment.

7/17/2008 03:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I wasn't trying to muddle with the fireworks issue, simply draw a comparison to illustrate why I have a big problem with your "police state" characterization.

Your point about bike licenses is right on - I have a bike without a license, which I ride - and I will probably never get stopped. The marching orders do need some digging into, as cops pulling over bikes on any pretense except dangerous or illegal riding (impeding traffic, crossing in the wrong spot, etc.) is inappropriate and potentially discriminatory. While I am thoroughly against illegal immigration, ID checks and sweeps are not the answer in a city with a large Hispanic/Latino population of legal and citizen residents.

If you have any connections with CMPD, perhaps you can ask about this bike issue.

7/17/2008 05:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did a police ride along on a Friday night. Things were slow at times so the officer pulled into the WAMU bank on Harbor/Baker to check out a car, the only car in the parking lot. It was parked across two parking spaces. It was a young white girl,using the ATM. She was asked to provide ID and given a lecture on parking. We then stopped people pushing shopping carts away from Stater Bros. parking lot. One group were two Hispanic men who could produce no ID, just hundred dollar bills, were lectured not to take carts and to put their cart back. The officer said she could have cited them but with no real ID and thus maybe a fake name given, they would not take care of the ticket so why bother with the paperwork. They were not taken to jail because of no ID. Next, white girl, mid twenties with toddler in shopping cart. She got the most hassle and begged not to be cited and was let go. The next group was three twentysomething Asian guys who were hilarious to deal with. Attitude definitely helps. They had two carts full of groceries. The officer told them to take the groceries out on the spot and return the cart to the store. (tghey were about two blocks away) They asked if they could push the carts back to the store while still full of the groceries, call a cab, and take them home that way. Officer said ok, and about ten minutes later we went back to Staters and here they were loading the stuff into a cab. Anyway, no one went to jail. That is why I thought maybe there was something more to it with the bike riders which I tried to say in a single sentence in the first post but I guess that was insufficient, even if efficient.

7/17/2008 07:49:00 PM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

Commissioner Jim, thanks for the attempt at clarifying your previous comment. The stories were interesting and I found myself wondering why our police officers are concerning themselves with shopping carts when we pay a service $48,000 a year to round them up and return them to the markets. Did that come up during your ride-along?

Your stories didn't do a thing to enhance the issue of Mr. Cardenas and his bicycle. In fact, it only raises more questions in my mind. Obviously, the officer you were with was trying to use her good judgment, which is commendable. I'll try to get more information form the CMPD on that case, and the other two, as well.

As always, thanks for participating here.

7/17/2008 08:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

of course the fool won't address the white gang issue, bad mouthing his loyal readership is bad for biz.
Plus he appears to be busy posting to himself on any story re: latinos on the OCR blogs with several aliases. Pick any story on their site re: gangs and you can see for yourself.

heres a good one:
I looked at all the comments and I will reply to some of them.
Q. Why did it take three reporters to write this article.
A. It takes three liberals reporters to write an article so pathetic.
Q. The police knew about this days in advance. Why weren't they on top of this.
A. Ask your city council members. They meet every other week. You get three minutes to ask them questions and make a statement.

San Juan Capistrano school district let the Mexican Consulate sell bogus Matricula Consular Cards on school grounds. The city of San Juan Capistrano is renting city property to CHEC, a free clinic that admits schooling illegal aliens on how to get other government programs.

If your tired of this, remember all these people are voted into office. When you see Americans protesting illegal alien day labor sites, join them.

7/17/2008 10:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Welcome back!


I look forward to hearing about any information you obtain regarding the bicycle violations.

One thing to consider - cops have a great deal of discretion in the field. Personalities, experience and street smarts affect how they deal with each contact. Shopping cart theft can become a significant issue, and I would hope that police stop folks with carts off store property - even if we have a recovery service. The actual cost of a metal shopping cart makes stealing one (even temporarily) a potentially serious crime. If the "borrowed" cart doesn't make it back to the store, that is a real monetary loss.

7/18/2008 12:29:00 AM  
Blogger mesa verde madman said...

"A bike riding infraction probably does not result in someone being taken to jail and put on ICE hold."

Probably? Seems like that is the only crime listed, so what else could it be? If it was drug possession, etc., that would be mentioned. I think we all know if any of us white males were riding our bikes through Mesa Verde or the Eastside at any time of day or night, we would not be asked for a bike license, etc. Would sure love to hear more about the 'marching orders'...because that smells awfully fishy!

7/21/2008 06:57:00 AM  
Blogger CMTRUTH said...

Mr. West correct me if i am wrong but i could not find that story on or in the OC Register. If that is the case one has to wonder why since any crime related story that features a latino sur name is news, no matter how big or small the crime. Maybe they like the racist rants from the same 6 people.

7/28/2008 07:15:00 PM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

cmtruth, go to the Register home page. Select "Costa Mesa" from the choice of cities in the little box. Once there, go to the article about police reports and scroll down. You'll find the entries in question. In fact, there's a new one. Yesterday, the 27th, a young Latino man was snatched up and placed on an ICE hold for riding an unlicensed bicycle.

7/28/2008 08:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

im actually talking about the hate crime committed by the whites against the latino.

7/28/2008 09:22:00 PM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

My mistake... I could find no reference to that particular crime in the Register...

It will be very interesting to watch the campaigns this year to see what kind of emphasis is placed on our "Latino problem".

Thanks for your questions. We look forward more entries on your blog.

7/28/2008 09:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah very strange that story got no coverage, im done with both papers, the slant they put on latinos is crazy. couple new blogs up on my page now =)

7/28/2008 09:55:00 PM  
Blogger The Pot Stirrer said...

Saw them.... commented on one... Welcome back.

7/28/2008 11:39:00 PM  

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