Monahan - The High And The Low At The Council Meeting
Yeah, I know... what kind of a title is that? Well, you kinda had to be there. Here we go...
I arrived very early for what would be my first council meeting since my little health adventure last June. I'd been to a few other events - ones at which I could keep moving without causing a distraction - but this was my first council meeting. And I arrived to find what looked like a fungus growing from the seat I had occupied for most of a decade. It turns out it was just defrocked Sanitary District Director/Planning Commission Chairman Jim Fitzpatrick, doing his best to make me angry.
I found another seat where I could get up and move around without bothering anyone else and settled in for what I thought would be a short, fairly uneventful meeting. HA! I should have known better. I was sitting in the back row surrounded by real journalists - Luke Money of the Daily Pilot and Louis Casiano, Jr. from the OC Register. In our row was Fitzy and several of his noxious CMPS minions, performing their best impressions of junior high school students throughout the evening. They were on Facebook all night long, including during a break, when some of them scampered out onto the porch of the council chambers and got in the face of other attendees with their smart phones to record video clips which they later posted on Facebook. It was only one of the many childish events that night.
Back to the meeting. It began nice enough, with the Boy Scouts presenting a flag ceremony. Then came the high point for Gary Monahan. He was presented the Mayor's Award. I had to chuckle when Mayor Steve Mensinger fumbled and stumbled through the prepared speech from the dais. A very nice video presentation by the pros at CMTV was shown, mostly narrated by retired City Manager Allan Roeder, with clips of folks like former Mayor Peter Buffa and others. It was a nice homage to Monahan who, particularly during his first eight years, made a big, positive impact on the community. His last tour, not so much. He's become a willing, predictable third vote for Mensinger and Mayor Pro Tem Jim Righeimer as they attempt to re-invent the City. Monahan is the classic guy who has stayed too long at the dance. During his acceptance speech, referring specifically to the Boy Scouts, Monahan said, "The better that we can teach them on how to act, how to behave, how to volunteer and how to go forward the better we're gonna be." Uh, huh... More on that in a minute.
During Public Comments Costa Mesa Sanitary District Director Bob Ooten stepped up and asked that the agenda item regarding the Mesa Water Takeover, scheduled for the end of the meeting, be removed from the agenda. He congratulated staffer Dan Baker for his staff report, but it is incomplete since it does not include the FIRST study Mesa Water contracted for earlier in the year.
Former mayor Allan Mansoor stepped up, carrying his young daughter and her backpack, to address the council. He praised the police chief, then launched into a denigration of the former leadership of the Costa Mesa Police Association. He also criticized the Costa Mesa Firefighters Association for hiring a former member of the law firm the CMPOA had employed. He condemned the organizations. What a jackass!
Kim Hendricks stepped up to promote Measure AA, to protect Fairview Park and denounced Measure BB - the city response to AA - as a pack of lies.
Let us pause here to place what happened next in context. We'll revisit Mr. Willmet again shortly. Sandy Genis urged Mensinger to let him continue, which he begrudgingly did. Katrina Foley reminded Mensinger to reset Mr. Willmet's time and then Monahan lost his mind! He apparently slammed his hand on the dais between him and Foley, frightening her. She accused him of assault and he yapped back at her. It got so out of control that members of the audience were shouting, "Arrest him!" Mensinger called a break in the proceedings to let things cool down. During the break Foley, angry and frightened, moved out onto the porch where she was hounded by the CMPS minions trying to take video of her in a conversation with John Stephens, her friend and fellow lawyer. When Mensinger called the meeting to order again a few minutes later Foley was not on the dais. Remember that Monahan quote above? Well, this was the beginning of several instances where he set anything BUT a fine example for any children in the audience. This guy is a washed-up political hack and unfit for any future elected office.
Next came Steve Chan, who spoke on a variety of issues. First was AB 1322, which authorized hair salons and barbershops to serve drinks to customers without an ABC license. That led him to a discussion of ABC noise requirements and a petition he's currently circulating regarding noise at entertainment venues.
When Chan finished another person tried to speak there was an inane diatribe in which both Mensinger and Monahan told the speaker to use her name - something the Brown Act states specifically they cannot do. It was a circus.
MENSINGER MOANS ABOUT MONAHAN TREATMENT
During Council Member Comments Mensinger praised himself then pandered to the police with a disingenuous rant and bemoaned the treatment of Monahan. He said "Let him enjoy his last couple meetings." He then launched into an inappropriate comment on his lawsuit against the Costa Mesa Police, clearly intending to evoke public sympathy during the election season. He held up a copy of the Daily Pilot to emphasize the story. He accused some folks of trying to ruin a person's family for political gain.
Katrina Foley refuted the claim by an earlier speaker that the city is in good shape. She cited the false information that motels are the highest crime generators - and quotes statistics indicating that apartment complexes generate more calls for service. She cited that we are about 36 officers and support staff down now, so we don't have enough staff to go around. She cited the treatment by members of the City Council of individuals in public safety roles. She specifically referred to a post by Monahan on Facebook in which he told Costa Mesa Fire Association President Rob Gagne to "f-off", called him a "sleazeball" twice and told him to take his retirement and leave the city. What kind of atmosphere does this create when we're trying to recruit for a department that is severely depleted. I've seen that post. It looks like Monahan may have been drunk when he wrote it, but we'll never know. It was part of a thread on the CMPS that Mensinger started, so those of you who are permitted to enter that site can probably find it. I've got it for posterity. She explained why she reacted to Monahan's bad behavior earlier, citing growing up with a drunken, abusive step-father. She was clearly still rattled by the event and told Monahan to never do that again.
Sandy Genis spoke briefly about the police department, citing the lack of specialty units and spoke sympathetically of Chief Sharpnack's plight. She spoke of cap and trade money that is going to become available from the state. She said Costa Mesa is positioned to take advantage of some of the grants for things like parks, pollution clean up, etc. She also expressed disappointment in measure BB and the misleading language in it. Mensinger interrupted her - a typical tactic. He was clearly unhappy with her explanation... the only campaigning from the dais is going to be done by him and his pals! Having two smart women on the dais is really problematic for the guys... and it makes me smile. She said putting a tracking device on a council members car is reprehensible and discussed briefly the process Chris Lanzillo went through. She then discussed the campaign dirty tricks that had been perpetrated on her the last time around, including a half-dozen hit pieces that found their way into her aging and ill mother's mailbox and late night phone calls. She also spoke of the defacement of some of her signs, replacing the first letter of her last name with another letter.
Monahan, during his piece, began by apparently condoning what had happened to Genis by telling her she "should see some of the hit pieces over the years and years" that his kids have seen. He then refuted a comment that said only 5% of the homeless are dangerous. A member of the public called out, then left. Mensinger identified him by name and Monahan said, "What an idiot!" He went on to explain his personal experiences with homeless folks. He excused his offer to do a party of the dead pedophile. After that screed he said, "I've only got two more meetings, so I'm going on."
He, snearing, criticized the Fire Association for funding campaign flyers. He attempted to explain the criticism of lack of enforcement for sober living facilities. He talked about the two ordinances that are tied up in court. He said, "Ya got a better idea? Come on up here. Take care of it yourself." He said he wasn't going to talk about the other - referring to his scaring Foley - and he said "I'm going to apologize to you, Katrina. I just get tired of the interruptions up here. I have a hard time getting the mayor's attention. Half the time he ignores me. Seriously!" He went on to eventually say, "I apologize. I crashed my hand down. I did get your attention - apparently too much. That's what I wanted was attention because half the time I don't get it." He went on to give his version of the Lanzillo event, complaining about his son's reaction.
Mayor Pro Tem Jim Righeimer then had his turn. He explained his version of what new folks to the council meeting were seeing, blaming it on a national mood and it's election time. He said he wanted to "finish this conversation" about what really happened at Gary's gin mill in August of 2012. He said it "has nothing to do with dirty tricks." He went on to explain, in his own convoluted way, the tactics he perceives being used by the Fire Association - trying to scare everyone and blaming it on the council majority. Well, yeah! He said it's all about the money - how much it costs to provide the safety. He accused the law firm and their investigators of extortion. He said the pension system is crumbling the state. He went on, and on and on about the case, the law firm, the investigators and the Fire Association trying to influence who runs the city.
CEO Tom Hatch used his time to introduce Jay Trevino, a consultant who has replaced Gary Armstrong as Deputy CEO and Director of Development Services. Armstrong's last day is October 7th. Hatch introduced him as Interim Deputy City Manager/Economic and Community Development Director. He comes from the City of Santa Ana. Wonder how the guys will accept that gaffe - "City Manager" vs CEO? I found myself wondering what seasoned pros like Trevino and Interim Public Services Director Jim Ross were thinking about this meeting.
Finally, nearly two hours into the meeting, we finally get to the stuff on the agenda! First up was Old Business #1, the second reading of the rezoning, etc. of the Fairview Development Center property that was previously codified in the General Plan update. It should have been a slam dunk, but wasn't. After lengthy discussion the council approved it, 3-2, with Genis and Foley voting no.
OLD BUSINESS #2, HARBOR AND NEWPORT BLVD OVERLAYS
Old Business #2, the same situation with the Harbor Blvd/Newport Blvd Overlays, took less time with the same result - a 3-2 vote, also with Foley and Genis voting no.
TEAMING WITH OC PARKS FOR GRANTS FOR TALBERT PARK
Just before 8:00 the council tackled New Business #1, the proposal to team with the County of Orange on seeking and acquiring grants for the Talbert Regional Park Habitat Restoration Plan. Several members of the public spoke, including Bob Wilson, President of Orange County River Park, Inc. who encouraged the council to proceed with this plan. Cindy Black and Robin Leffler spoke with concerns about the plan. Genis was concerned about losing funding for Fairview Park improvements. The council approved it, 4-1, with Genis voting no.
Next up was Mensinger's idea for a resolution opposing Prop. 57, the latest scheme to release serious bad guys from prison and turn them loose on our streets. Mary Spadoni spoke about attending a recent meeting of the California District Attorney's Association at which this item was discussed. She said it was going to be sold as a cost savings device. She described it as worse than Prop 47. She said at least 16,000 criminals will be eligible for early release under this proposition and would likely result in an increased crime rate. When Monahan moved to approve the item Mensinger seconded it. Foley wondered what the plan would be. She specifically asked staffer Dan Baker "What action are we taking?" She expressed concern that this was just another political campaign ploy by Mensinger to get his name in front of the public as the election draws near. She speculated that Public Information Officer Tony Dodero would be dispatched to issue a press release touting Mensinger's tough stand on crime, so the residents pay for his campaign activities. She suggested that Genis, also running for re-election, should be included in any press release. Genis suggested all five council members be mentioned. Eventually the council voted, 4-0, to move forward with the resolution. Foley, who had previously indicated she would abstain from the vote, was absent from the dais.
Last up was New Business #3, the proposed resolution by Righeimer in support of Mesa Water's scheme to place an advisory measure on the ballot to support their plan for a hostile takeover of the Costa Mesa Sanitary District. During the early discussion Foley was suspicious, and wondered if there had been any discussion of the City taking over both districts. She wondered if there would be a press release or flyer to the residents. Hatch said he did not anticipate any such action. Foley suggested that this item be continued to a future date so both sides - Mesa Water and the CMSD - could make proper presentations. That was rejected out of hand
During public comments Jim Fitzpatrick, city council majority sycophant running as a slate with Monahan for seats on the CMSD, presented his rotund presence to proclaim he's for smaller government. His first attempt at being clever was his comment about breaking the "Foleybuster". He then told the world that he had championed the combination of the two special districts when he served - illegally - on the Sanitary District Board.
Terry Koken exercised his three minutes to provide us with another bit of linguistic fun revolving around TiTi CaCa.. you can fill in the blanks.
Then up stepped hipster Ethan Temianka, First Vice President of the Mesa Water District Board for what turned out to be a snarky bit of discussion. He repeatedly turned from the council toward the audience and Foley repeatedly reminded him to speak to the council - something Mensinger and Righeimer have done in the past ad nauseum - and he snarked back a reply each time. He defended the Arcadis study, but didn't really provide much other information. As he stepped away Foley tried to ask him some questions but Mensinger forbade her to do so. I thought at the time it was more than a little curious, since they were, after all being asked to pass a resolution supporting Measure TT and he was apparently representing the Board. He eventually bailed out when the council was interrogating Mike Scheafer and it looked like they might have to permit questions of him.
Alex Reich, Mesa Verde resident and candidate for Jim Fisler's Mesa Water Board seat stepped up to criticize Mesa Water for including a political message on their bill and spoke of a violation of the public trust.
SCHEAFER'S STATEMENT
After a couple other speakers CMSD Board President Mike Scheafer stepped up and gave a three-minute presentation to the Council, outlining the CMSD view of the issue briefly. He told them that the CMSD NEVER refused to meet with Mesa Water on this issue. Coincidentally, in the mail yesterday many of us received the quarterly news letter from the CMSD which is full of important information on this issue. Unlike Temianka, Scheafer was grilled by council members. He told the council that CMSD is hosting a Town Hall beginning at 6:00p.m. at the Neighborhood Community Center on Wednesday, October 19th at which this issue would be discussed for the public. We received a small card in the mail announcing that event, too. During the grilling Righeimer asked Scheafer about their reserves, and specifically about reserves for the trash side of the business. Scheafer had a minor brain burp and didn't answer it correctly.
When the council voted on this issue it passed, 3-2, with Foley and Genis voting no. Neither thought it was appropriate for the City to chime in on this issue. Foley said it was purely a political stunt. Genis needed more information and planned to attend the Town Hall to get it.
LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT
The trailed Consent Calendar items were up next. The person who pulled the Warrant was absent, so it passed, 5-0. Foley pulled #7, the Landscape Maintenance contract issue. Concerns were expressed by Foley about the number of people involved. Hatch told us that none would be laid off. Mensinger made a comment about not having to pay pension costs for 15 people. The item passed, 5-0.
LEWIS RIPS MANSOOR
The trailed Public Comments were next. Local businessman Tim Lewis addressed the plague of campaign signs, then spoke about how negative Mansoor's presence had been on the council the last time. He referred specifically to the Benito Acosta experience, mentioning the presence of Jim Gilchrist and others who supported Mansoor. He asked Mensinger, "Mr. Mayor, what kind of madness caused you to run for re-election partnered with the worst person ever to sit in your chair."
Alex Reich tried to speak but Righeimer interrupted him early in his presentation - a typical tactic to throw him off his pace. He spoke about bogus signs. He also spoke about the $8500 mailer against Measure AA. He also criticized Mesa Water's current watering policy. He also criticized Mesa Water for not televising their meetings and their billing practices.
Cynthia McDonald spoke about Costa Mesa First, dispelling the lie that her organization was funded by developers. She spoke about Eleanor Egan's nearly single-handed win over big time lawyers on the bogus ballot rebuttal argument. She also announced the first "Eleanor Egan" award for public service.
Jay Humphrey presented a brief slide show rejecting the No on Y argument, citing the judges ruling on the bogus rebuttal.
Beth Refakes told us about the success of the Gown program and reminded the us that Military Affairs Team is now collecting individually-wrapped candy for the children of the 1/5 Marines.
Porky Fitzpatrick stepped up and told us of a "proud Dad moment", his daughters salute police and firemen. He then went on to regurgitate the information about union contributions. He misspoke about association contributions. He demanded that Genis recuse herself from negotiations. Genis rejected that allegation.
Terry Koken spoke of the Mensinger Mansoor Ramos slate - the MMR. He referred to Measles, Mumps and Rubella - childhood diseases. Again, his clever wordsmithing entertained most of us - except maybe Mensinger.
An unidentified woman spoke on Foley's meeting the previous week regarding Sober Living. She suggested a referral to Congressman Daryl Issa's recent bill and suggested writing him a letter.
HOW MUCH DID RIGHEIMER'S LIES COST US?
Foley asked City Attorney Tom Duarte the amount spent by the City to Rutan and Tucker on the rebuttal issue. She demanded to know the amount of the bill. Prior to answer Mensinger wanted all communications between Rutan and Tucker. Foley said she's opposing Rutan and Tucker in court. She wondered if it was $29,000 to defend Righeimer in court. Per Duarte, $24,000, he thinks.
Mensinger totally botched the adjournment. He fumbled and stumbled the name and someone else was added that nobody identified. So, we think it was adjourned in memory of Bob Robins and somebody named Fisher. Geez, can't he even get THAT right?
Here's the scoop on that "other person" Steve couldn't remember. It seems the name he botched was that of Hal Fischer, Costa Mesa Police Lieutenant for 20 years; Police Chief of Marysville for 3 years; Police Chief of Placentia for 9 years, where he retired. He and his wife, Sharon, were founding members of Calvary Chapel, then occupying that little church on Church Street. They were instrumental in hiring Chuck Smith to guide the church, which became one of the largest Christian movements in the world. Yeah, he was nobody - just a law enforcement leader and a Christian. Steve, you are an idiot!
Labels: Allan Mansoor, City Council, Eleanor Egan, Ethan Temianka, Gary Monahan, Jay Humphrey, Jim Fitzpatrick, Jim Righeimer, Katrina Foley, Mike Scheafer, Sandy Genis, Steve Mensinger, Tom Duarte, Tom Hatch
posted by The Pot Stirrer at 10/05/2016 08:03:00 PM
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It's my understanding the $24,000 bill from Rutan and Tucker was for services between July 7th and August 12th. That does not include the trial on August 25th and post-trial matters. So there will be another bill on top of the $24,000.
I posted this comment last night on Geoff's commentary, before the council meeting and I am serious as can be. Time to step up to the plate.
1. After 3 years of being lied to at every turn, especially this last week.
2. Vote no on EE.
3. Change the council majority this election and eliminate the current oligarchy.
4. Fire Hatch and appoint Chief Shapnack interim City Manager.
5. Fire Jones and Mayer as Duarte and his crew are not a good fit for Costa Mesa.
6. Replace every commissioner appointed by the majority.
7. Start a criminal probe of Monahan,Fitzpatrick,McCarthy,Sesler,Dickson,Mercurio.
8. Replace all current Code Enforcement personnel.
9. Unravel the damage done to Costa Mesa Public Safety
10.Pay down the pension liabilities and honor the commitment that was made.
11.That is enough for today, the hate mail will take some time to read.
12.If you are an L.E.O or PI feel, free to instant message me on Facebook
Let me try that again
For as much as fitzy whines about being bullied he has no problem being being one. He had a much different demeanor when I saw earlier...
Anyone see Mercurio's comments on one of those Facebook pages about how she would have 'crushed' (actual word used) Stephens, Humphrey and Genis? My god, if her head gets any bigger, it will be its own planet.
Fitzpatrick has a very odd fixation on you these days, Stirrer. That guy needs help, and medical marijuana is not going to fix it. The fact that a person running for public office goes on FB on your page and attempts to troll the way he does is sad.
These guys have to go, pronto. Two more years, and this town will be destroyed. I sure hope the tide is turning.
The meeting last night was an embarrassment to this city. Monahan did assault Katrina. His continued drunkiness has made in unable to serve as a councilman. Well, he really hasn't in the last few years, but now it has become a real problem, so much so that he is now scary to be around. Yelling at people from the dais, slamming fists and nearly hitting Katrina, his temper tantrums, all point to severe alcoholism. Even the mayor is ignoring him. The only wise move he's ever made.
Monahan and Fitzpatrick teaming up is one alcoholic druggie and one alcoholic druggie. Sanitation District is asking for trouble if these guys get elected. They want to raid the money reserves that Sanitation District has set up for infrastructure, etc. Mesa Water has not saved and now is in trouble. This is their way of getting out of it.
Mensinger needs to go. He thinks he is king, but he is not. His demeanor and attitude are completely full of hate that has no place on the dais, nor as a leader of this city.
Frankly, Geoff, I also now wonder if he and Righeimer didn't set up the PI event themselves. Too much has fallen into place. Sure gives you something to think about. As far as I'm concerned the only person who cares where Mensinger goes is his wife. And I doubt she cares either. Kind of sickening that they are still trying to bleed that all these years later.
I got a kick out of Mansoor using his kid as a campaign prop. Oh so transparent. However, I don't think its a wise move to drag the family into the spectacle. Then they become fair game. I'm waiting for Mensinger to bring up his boys. Now that should get interesting.
As for the Mensinger forgetting, or not knowing, or not bothering to find out, who Lt. Fischer was is unforgivable. That man served this city with more integrity than Mensinger will ever know existed. When you close a meeting in dedication to someone wouldn't you at least think you'd ask who it is?
People in Costa Mesa deserve better than this. Let's hope it will change in November, for the sake of the city.
Does Monahan seem to shake or sweat a lot?
Is he over-aggressive?
Is he compulsive?
Does he seem to show mood swings?
Is his face too red and/or bloated?
I think he might be sick and should retire from public life and immediately avail himself of the excellent health care we pay so much for.
Is Julie saying that all of the not-Public Square people would have voted for her? I didn't know that folks who live in Kuala Lumpur and Iceland could vote in Costa Mesa elections. Does she even live in Costa Mesa?
Maybe she "forgot" that the top vote getters in the last two elections were Katrina and Sandy. The council guys seem to have forgotten.
Mercurio acts like she has eaten to many of those special brownies, and at her advanced age it all shows on her face. Kinda like that little Menehune Monahan.
Fitzy is just a gross pie eyed punk. They like fat guys up there in Soledad.
The sanitary district is actually a great place for Mickey Monahan to be heard, since nothing but garbage comes out of the guy's mouth.
Oh, my GOD, this council meeting verified the council majority has no bottom to their arrogance and stupidity. One speaker drooling over the mayor contacting her on FB, Asked, who is this guy named Steve? Ok, you opened the door, Steve is a bully; Steve is inarticulate; Steve is uneducated; Steve is a power hungry seeker to offset his personal insecurities, Steve is an opportunistic wannabe and those are the good points. Did I mention rude, interruptive and a submissive to Riggy. hmm, that has interesting ramifications. Tiesday night, beyond a fiasco and the only thing missing were Monahan, Riggy, and Mensinger in clown attire. Fitz had the court jester position locked up. They should really charge admission, this is a show indeed......Costa Mesa return our council to reality ...... GENIS....HUMPHREY.....STEPHENS
I would love to know what the heck you think is the "big, positive impact on the community" that Monahan has made. Sorry, but that's waaaay too generous and just flat-out wrong. Monahan has contributed NOTHING in 16 years of wasting dais space. Please name a couple of his "contributions" - I'll wait.
No disrespect Marquis, but have you been in the city long? Monahan was always a conservative, but fair voice that used to listen to and respect constituants. I had a personal encounter with him 15+ years ago and he showed great character. Despite philosophical differences, I would vote for him a couple elections after that because of the class and response he showed then. Now, I don't know what he has become. Maybe the personal family challenges he faces are too much for him to handle, but he is on the verge to becoming an embarrassment to himself and this city.
Julie Mercurio please stop lying. Quoting Jimmy Fitzy "That needs to be said here tonight". Although Fitzy lied first I am going to refute the lie by Mercurio. She posted the following -
"Last night in Council Comments, A resident expressed concern that Council Member Genis and other opposition candidates were the beneficiaries of $160,000 in Fire Union campaign contributions. Genis responded that she did not receive the money in question. Yet here is a report showing pages and pages of Union Fire campaign contributions."
The first lie from Mercurio is not accurately reporting what Fitzy said. Fitzy (the resident in question) didn't say they were beneficiaries, no he clearly stated that each fireman gave $1500 to the Candidates. That's $160,000 he continued. He went on to clarify he was stating she received it but let's stop there. Mercurio provided form 496 an Independent Expenditure Report as proof to try and discredit Sandy who immediately denied she received that money from them. The document 496 completely supports Sandy. It is an Independent Expenditure Report filed by the Association not by Sandy. If Sandy receives donations she is by law required to report it. By definition of the 496 it means Sandy didn't receive the money, didn't request how it was to be spent and she doesn't have to report it because she didn't receive it. But Fitzy and Mercurio lie and they tell people she received it.
What is also very sad about this is that Mercurio tries to say the F.D. is being deceptive with their support and yet Mercurio FLAT OUT LIES about the situation. This disgusting human being isn't fit to be an appointed commissioner. I just hope people notice the lies. They might not if they don't know what the forms really mean. Mercurio uses lies and deception to try and mislead people into thinking the form 496 shows Sandy received the donations. It's a lie and people need to really look at things these disgusting humans state and what they post. That way you'll know who is deceiving who.
Honeyman, Gary has gone way past "verge of becoming" an embarrassment. He assaulted Katrina by slamming his hand on the desk in front of her. Does he treat his wife like that? I'm wondering now about his home life. That showed a very disturbing side of him. Alcoholism does horrible things to people. What I'd like to know is why the police jump on anyone who snickers, laughs out loud or claps, but did absolutely nothing when Gary did that. Seems a little odd to me.
As for Julie, I just have to assume that everything she says is disingenuous. So far, I don't think that is far off.
BBP, speaking of big fat lies, now one of JM's sidekicks, Julie Fowler, has posted on the Nextdoor site that their non-public square FB page has "over 8000 Costa Mesa members." (All are NOT from CM.) She just won't tell the truth about anything if lying suits her purposes. She is very casual about lying. Pathological....
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