A NEW RECORD!
COSTA MESA CITY COUNCIL SETS RECORDThat's right. The Costa Mesa City Council set a new modern era record for the length of a council meeting by stretching their meeting that began Tuesday at 6:00 until 3:00 a.m. Wednesday! And, by doing so, they also re-affirmed my adage that nothing good ever happens past midnight in council chambers.
PUBLIC COMMENTS TOOK 100 MINUTES!
You knew this was going to be a long meeting when, in anticipation of the Public Comments segment, more than 20 people lined up against the walls on both sides of the auditorium to speak. When it was over 30 people spoke and it took 100 minutes to get it done.
The "much anticipated" invasion of the Orange County Young Republicans turned out to be more like a drive-by wave. Led by Righeimer-sycophant Ethan Temianka, ten black-shirt clad young people gathered near the front of the chambers. A couple of them spoke with glowing praise for the council's actions (now, there's a surprise!) then scurried out during Council Comments. They either had very short attention spans or were late for their shifts at McDonald's. I was underwhelmed by their presence.
The public hearing on Starbucks took three and a half hours and resulted in the project being approved with a few modifications, much to the chagrin of the crowd that had gathered to speak on the subject. Twenty-one people spoke on it - 14 against and 7 for it. Those seven were all part of a very tight cluster of people who surrounded Brian Ward, the spokesman for the developer. They all said more or less the same thing - praising the developers for OTHER jobs they'd done in Costa Mesa... somebody gave them a song book to use. Those who spoke against it were plain old members of the public - neighbors who were concerned about noise, traffic, air pollution and public safety. Those concerns were brushed aside by the council, who voted 3-1 to approve it. Wendy Leece voted No and Jim Righiemer had abstained.
Right then I knew we were in trouble because Mayor Eric Bever called for another 10 minute break AT MIDNIGHT! When we re-convened a computer glitch kept the proceedings from beginning until 12:25, and there were still nearly 30 people remaining in the audience. Of course they were - we still had half the agenda to go!
The vacation of right-of-way next to Pinkley Park should have been an easy one, but it took a half hour, but finally passed, 4-1, with Leece again voting No.
MOVING FASTER NOW
The council promptly passed Old Business #1, the second reading
of an ordinance regarding a reduction of parking requirements for food
and beverage establishments, then voted to move New Business #3,
committee appointments, to the June 5th meeting.AND EVEN FASTER...
At 1:00 a.m. the council rapidly - in five minutes - agreed to renew the Business Improvement Area (BIA) and to permit the Costa Mesa Foundation (formerly the Costa Mesa Community Foundation) to sell beer and wine at the Concerts In The Park again this year.
Finally, at 1:05 a.m. (!!!) we began the discussion of the five Outsourcing Requests For Proposals. First up was Jail Operations. That discussion, led by CEO Tom Hatch, took 40 minutes and was passed on a 4-1 vote - Leece voted No. So, once the injunction is lifted the CEO is authorized to move forward with the contract with G4S Secure Solutions to run our jails. Hatch described a transition plan for existing employees and Righeimer demanded that we guarantee every one of them a job elsewhere in the city. We'll see how that goes. The terms of the contract remain the same for six months, pending the lifting of the injunction. In theory, the City will save just over $600,000 by privatizing the Jail operations.
Next came the Street Sweeping RFP. After fifty minutes of discussion and argument the council voted, 4-1, to move forward once the injunction is lifted. No employees will be displaced - the two full time employees will return to their old jobs and the two retired, part-time drivers may work for the contractor, Athens Services. The savings for privatizing this operation would result in a modest $87,000 and change. Hardly seems worth it.
We were now at 2:40 a.m. and the council moved forward rapidly to approve the "hybrid" operation for the Building Inspection function and rejected all bids for Animal Control and Video Production and rescinded all layoff notices associated with those functions.
FINALLY!
And then we were adjourned to the next meeting - at THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING!I'm going to bed now!
Labels: Jim Righeimer, outsourcing, Starbucks, Tom Hatch
posted by The Pot Stirrer at 5/16/2012 05:27:00 AM
41 Comments:
9 hours might be a county record, let alone a city! Wait until they start the charter. CM4RG should have hot coffee, energy drinks, and caffeine-laced snack food out on the patio from here on out...
same old song book also shared by leece and oc4rg. oc4rg speakers denigrated council again, now there's a surprise. Perry Valantine even had to make up complaints about an event he did not attend but "heard" bad things happened at.(or maybe he didn't hear enough good things about, either way, complain) LOL. heresay not really a strong indicator of actual knowledge of events Perry! Stalker Ridge commented on size of Mensinger's driveway and truck. Thanks for watching his house Greg. A creepy neighborhood watch kind of thing. The usual speakers where there though their numbers were down a little, the infestation is getting under control perhaps. Of course their attention span to the real facts on issues is still very short when council talks. They don't listen to council since what does council know, cm4rg are the experts. A lady named "Reggie" (union hack/thug) flipped out and warned that she will get her papers!! from a public records request on a now non issue. Just need a lawyer to step forward and file another lawsuit and complain if city defends itself. lol. These people have way too much time on their hands. It is like a second council without voting rights. Every item=serial comments, literally hijacking the meetings and causing them to run extraordinarilly long. PV said he doesn't necessarily disagree with what council is doing but they are not doing it his way so here is some more criticism. this is starting to look like a desparate attempt to be on TV.
I highly duobt you will see 600K in savings when all is said and done. They low ball to get in, then jack up fees and pricing.
And too bad about the Starbucks. My dad was right, property developers are the ones running the city councils. He's seen it in every city he's lived in. Shame that this is the case.
The particular form of abuse of power that we saw last night was familiar to me from big city politics but new in my experience in Costa Mesa.
The Councilmen delayed, ranted and prolonged the back-and-forth between traffic engineers until citizens who had to get up in the morning gave up and went home.
Some of those who attended the meeting to protect their homes, families and property rights were deprived of the opportunity to do so.
Once many of those with a real stake in the proceedings had left, the Council moved more rapidly through the highly controversial matters which, as usual, had been placed at the end of a very long agenda.
What a shame it is that our beloved home town has fallen into the hands of these *&!(#@** unscrupulous men!
Disgraceful.
Excellent presentation by Ms. Arthur and her neighbors pointing out the problems the drive-thru Starbucks WILL cause, but to no avail.
Folks, Costa Mesa has been taken over by developers led by developer Righeimer.
Righeimer's puppet Colon McCarthy is running in November. Make sure you come out and vote against him and fellow henchmen Mensinger and Monahan.
Return democracy to our city.
Can Mayor 909 Bever have any less class or manners?
It's obvious that his master has ordered him to target Leece at every opportunity.
He comes off as a petty little dais bully like Mensy.
He probably has fun pulling the wings off flies.
Like Monahan, Bever is finished politically in this city.
Plans need to be in the making now to back candidates not in alliance with the OCGOP in all local government campaigns or Costa Mesa is in big trouble. The OCGOP has connections to big campaign contributors so it is up to us concerned individuals to band together donating, campaigning and doing whatever we can to stop them. It can be done.
It was a historic night. Soon Costa Mesa will have enough used coffee grounds to use to pave our streets. But more importantly we will have what many had predicted for so long: at the proposed drive-thru there will truly be a Starbucks inside a Starbucks. The developer stated they would have a dedicated barista just for the drive-thru lane, as well as additional baristas inside for the shop.
We also learned that "property rights" is something only for developers, not for Costa Mesa homeowners or even business property owners who are adjacent to Starbucks.
Thanks for the shout out to the Young Republicans. However, as you and the Daily Pilot got it wrong, there were actually about 25 Young Republican members in attendance. Only about 10 had OCYR shirts on because unlike union workers we have to drive ourselves and aren't given shirts when we are driven in aboard our union van. I personally sat next to a lovely elderly lady who made a few comments about the Young Republicans and was impressed with how polite we were. Unlike union protesters we desire to be respectful of the policy making process, give our two cents and allow the elected leaders to represent taxpayers. True, most of us trickled out at the beginning of the regular agenda, because again we were coming from our non-union jobs and hadn't eaten dinner...and of course we had to go visit our friends fellow Young Republicans working at McDonald's.
Young Republican,
Thanks for the clarification. I didn't say you were not quiet, attentive and polite, just that you were following the party play book. When you all bailed out I saw only the black shirts leaving. Please forgive my inaccurate reporting - I DID stay for the entire meeting because I actually care about my city and was not there for show.
I hope you get that much-coveted promotion from pickle-placer to french fry timer in the near future.
Q. How many Young Republicans does it take to change a light bulb?
A. 25- One to hold the ladder and 24 to hold up Boss Hogg Righeimer.
Why were the Young Republicans wearing Riggy's underwear over their regular clothes? Weird.
I'm not kidding when I say this, but I was seated next to one of these Baby Republicans last night, and he must have just let go and crapped himself in his little pull-up diapers. It was so bad that I moved, and later on when the Baby Republican sheep decided to leave because mommy was waiting to pick them up, I noticed the big lump in the back of the his pants, very gross and very OCGOP Minor Leagues.
So same old union thug comments, right from the playbook. Unions did some good things for the common man in this country, so to not respect that, means to not respect your elders and former working class men and women. You can keep parroting comments, but after awhile it sounds like a broken record, and people just tune out.
And I dunno, maybe some civil disobedience might be in order. I'm kinda groggy in the morning, might take me a very very long time to decide what coffee I want. And darn it wouldn't you know it, my car just broke down. Going to take a bit to get that tow truck out to wheel me outta there. Picketing might work as well. And then constant daily noise complaints, cause that place is going to be noisy every single morning, mark my words.
There are other ways to fight back, since obviously the council and city officals don't care to listen and will not care to listen to the citizens that pay their salaries. Make Starbucks reconsider that location, if they start to lose money on it. The developer can own that land and building, but if no one wants to do business in there, it's a lose on him.
Geoff,
Nice mudslinging at the OCYR folks. Diaper jokes? Fast food worker jokes? So people working at fast food restaurants should be mocked? Better check in with Katrina, Geoff, as she is the protector of the working class.
You have become truly pathetic. Grow up.
Good lord. These meetings would be half as long if dimwit Wendy Leece would just read her agendas and turn her brain half on. She is so stupid. Everything is a fight for her, from non-controversial vacating of property, to budgets, to a simple coffee store. Her lack of intelligence is on display every other Tuesday night in this City. Come on already!
The Big Lie is passed on to the next generation in the OC GOP. What a surprise!
Sure thing- everyone who opposes the councilmen and their lack of leadership is a "Uuuuuunion Thug!". We all have "union" cars and "union" jobs and worship at the alter of higher taxes.
Right- keep telling yourself that. If you forget, the OC GOP and its soldiers will remind you!
You know who else detested unions and its members? He hated them so much he order witch hunts to weed their members out and kill them- Adolf Hitler.
@ Barry-I didn't forget you.
Wendy is the only one using her brains up there, not just following marching orders from Scott Baugh.
Thanks for hanging in there, Geoff!
well here is the "hitler" card being played by Alf, right after Geoff played it a couple days ago. Alf bringing up killings? Save the race card for late October or did geoff already play that on mansoor? Infestations? fast food workers? this is getting ugly, used to be opinions but now worse than ever. love it!
Barry = Costa Mesa's "other blogger" = Neanderthal Mensa
These nasty remarks by nameless faceless sources aimed at Young Republicans who dare show up and support their viewpoint that government should be able to pay its bills typifies Gilbert Chesterton's adage that "People generally quarrel because they cannot argue."
I find it odd that young people having an opinion is suddenly offensive when people find out that opinion isn't liberal. It's like the 1st Amendment applies to union members who come to voice their opposition, but not to anyone who dare support reforms of an unsustainable system. You think anyone takes pleasure in making cuts? Of course not. The Young Republicans didn't come to celebrate cuts, they came to support a step to returning a local government to fiscal sanity. Our federal government is approaching a deficit that numbers in the tens of trillions, our state is $16 billion in the hole, the County of Orange is STILL repaying its bankruptcy from 1994. Every level of government needs to evaluate its financial reality and priorities. You often hear people say that hope is not a strategy, but neither is denial.
So that is why the Young Republicans came to support the council majority, for having the courage to address reality that their predecessors lacked.
Scott Carpenter
Political Director
Orange County Young Republicans
Unknown - you refer to current Council's predecessors. If I'm not mistaken, 3 of them are still on the council, and it's typically been Republicans representing around here as long as I can remember. I know you're young (hence the Young Republican moniker), but I'm guessing you aren't dumb enough to realize Republicans have been in power forever in Orange County, and Costa Mesa. So who got us into this mess again?
And are you really sharing your opinion? It seems straight from the Baugh/OCGOP playbook. Good luck with that.
You know continuing to repeat it's from the "Baugh/OCGOP playbook" makes an impartial reader think that those who keep repeating THAT same line are reading some sort of playbook. Anyone who disagrees with you is dismissed as a "Baugh/GOP" puppet, yet you don't dispute the points.
I mentioned the predecessors...plural. The unsustainable situations in Costa Mesa and other cities and municipalities were not created overnight. It's been from years of mismanagement, overpromises and political favors. I was merely explaining why we chose to support a council we've recognized to do something about the debt the government seems intent on burdening our generation with.
Scott Carpenter
Political Director
Orange County Young Republicans
Scott, all those problems were caused by fiscal policy developed, voted on and carried out by the very people you support. So let's do it again? Keep being successful at pushing that agenda and you kids will be looking for work in my home country of Mexico. Just teach them to duck at the appropriate time. The OCGOP has me thinking about joining a union and not the Riggy, Baugh, Rohrabacher kind. I'm a Christian and against that kind of thing.
Scott Carpenter OCYR fails to write the truth. His efforts, inspite of what he says, are simply meant to demonize and create anger towards public workers and these FAKE liberal council that have been FABLED to rule Costa Mesa over the years.
Fact 1 Conservatives have ruled Costa Mesa Councils not liberals
Fact 2 Staunch Fiscal Conservative Republicans Mayor Eric Bever and Mayor Pro Tem Allan Mansoor in 2008 made the motion and voted to raise the retirement formula of Costa Mesa City Employees to their highest levels of 2.5 @ 55.
Fact 3 Costa Mesa built large reserves up to 2007 partially based on savings to the city by not having to pay the employers share toward employee retirements for several years.
Fact 4 If it was so obvious these pensions were not sustainable or reasonable at the time Conservative Allan Mansoor and Eric Bever would not have made the motion nor voted to increase the pension formula of general city employees.
Fact 5 Mayor Bever thanked city employees for understanding the costs of this raise and for stepping up and paying for the actuarial predicted costs.
Fact 6 The situation we are in is not because of greed or lack of caring for the city residents by city employees nor is it the pay-offs to union supported council. At the time the raise in the general city employees retirement formula to it's current rate seemed reasonable under the past financial economic situation. The rasie was fully supporter by actuarial reports ( John Bartell included), was paid for by the general city employee at a rate of 3.52 percent per year of their salaries. Like I stated earlier the actual motion was made by conservative Eric Bever and supported by conservative Allan Mansoor.
So how does the OCYR or anyone claim this is liberal supported councils elected by unions who bought their favors and everyone knew general city employees pensions would break the city back then.
It's all mistating of the realities and facts. The OCYR are learing well to mislead and distort the truth.
This is not to say this is not a problem. I am saying there was no evil intent. It happened because of the economy.
You can view in the city archive video the meeting back in 2008. It's all there.
OCYR should be very careful with their false claims and accusations. Leslie Daigle would love to have this info about Allan Mansoor and his 2008 vote to increase the general city employee pension rate to 2.5 @ 55. Especially knowing that OCYR claims these unsustainable pensions were done as political favors by unions. I believe Mansoor may have second the motion too. So is Mansoor a union backed council member who voted to give pension increases to general city employees as a political payback. This could torpedo Allan Mansoor's political career if true knowing his claims recently.
As a clarification I do not believe any of this and believe the OCYR and others who make these claims mislead and mistate the truth of what was happening economically back in the mid 2000's. Alll in an effort to demonize and create anger toward hard working and dedicated city employees.
PS:
Did we mention that Riggy met with us the night before and showed us how to be good young republicans? Yes, not only did we get our playbook live, but our fearless leader polished off 3 chickens and a chocolate cream pie. Talk about unsustainable? That would be our hero's food intake. And how dare you question how young we should be to use the name young republican. Just because some of us are over 40 and still living with our republican mom and dad because of a no-job economy caused by that liberal George W. Bush does NOT open the door for your foul independent thinking like that former republican witch Wendy you know who. And yes Ethan does know how to read and write he just was a little confused.
Gomer Pyle
Director
Young Republicans for Drive-Thru Starbucks on every street that should also be renamed "Reagan"
I get a little annoyed when people lump the whole Republican Party together with the views of those who are currently the council majority in Costa Mesa. I said so at the hearing and as a result had some great conversations with some of the YR’s after the public comments. They aren’t all blind ideologues and neither are most Republicans. There is a big debate within the party about how one faction is “ruining the brand” to the point that many have left the GOP. That’s less support both in volunteers and $$$ and has many party loyalists very concerned.
I also get annoyed when people bag on the GOP and it’s GOP this and GOP that. That just increases the polarization here in Costa Mesa when we have a great need to lay aside partisan politics and work together to change a government that is not taking us in the direction we want to go. Yeah, some of us voted for these guys. Some of us feel they no longer represent us. They know it. If enough of us feel that way, it’s gonna show in November.
Meanwhile, can I ask that you not bag on the GOP or the YR’s? You can’t paint us all with the same brush. It’s as bad as the way some Republicans demonize unions and blame all the problems of the universe on them. The truth is, we all contributed, both sides. And we all have to find a way to work together to solve the issues we face. That’s going to take goodwill, collaboration and negotiation. I see it actually happening in other cities around us. If I go on, pretty soon I’ll be quoting Rodney King…
OC JR REPUBLICAN WHATEVERS please answer:
What is fiscally conservative about having a top heavy organization full of pr spinners and assistant CEO's? What is fiscally conservative about the way these council members spend money on attorneys? Who was the last US president to balance the budget?
Thanks for backing me up with facts, people. Scott, don't blame some liberal agenda. It was the economy, plain and simple. That said, as far as local politics, they've been dominated by Republicans forever - long before you were a gleam in your daddy's BVDs.
Now go back and play with Neidermeyer, Marmalard and the other blackshirted frat boys (thanks, 'Animal House,' for associating Young Republicans with Frat Boy tools forever).
Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup! Republican party caused this mess. Now they sound like a bunch of children trying to place the blame on someone else.
Scott Carpenter,
Thanks for participating here. I appreciate your views and encourage you to present them when you feel it is appropriate.
Robin,
Sorry, I don't intend to stop pointing out the clear attempt by the OC GOP to take over our city. There's clearly desperation at the top because the numbers continue to erode. Unfortunately, I don't think Baugh and his minions grasp just how onerous their tactics are. Perhaps if there was a change in the leadership in the OC GOP things would get better. There's already a small group of folks on the Central Committee who are talking about that. Until the leadership changes I'm left to criticize those in charge.
Ironically, Robin and Geoff are two of the "sane" Republicans trying to help Costa Mesa. Perhaps our young friends should take their cues from them rather than extremists like Righeimer.
A few other points that were not addressed at Tues's CC Mtg:
- what happens when cars exiting from the drive through window try to make a left onto 17th? That will bring the "movement" through the drive through to a halt. Why didn't the council insist that the cars exiting the drive through - if not the entire property - can only make left turns onto 17th? I suppose that required too much thinking or the use of logic.
- The drive through location at Brookhurst and Adams that was used as a comparison to the location at E. 17th is NOTHING like the area where this will be located; the closest residents to the one at Brookhurst and Adams are 400+ feet away! Not 50! Even with 17 idling cars, the residents in HB would not have to hear or contend w/ the issues that Eastside neighbors will have. And on, and on
- Other issues (unfortunate and distasteful as we may all agree they are) such as texting and cell phone usage while driving are realities in today’s world. That should be taken into consideration when evaluating whether ANY drive through is appropriate for a given location; even the NB Suburban driving moms who want to frequent "COSTA MESA's" drive through do this... come on, admit it, you know you do! This is going to be an accident waiting to happen.
- The drive through WILL bring more traffic to the surrounding area; with the number of school kids, pedestrians, elderly, special needs, etc. in the area it is a risk that many do not think we can afford nor need to take
- The people who spoke in favor of the drive through either work for or with the developer, and/or are friends or relatives; the majority live in Newport Beach! (None of those who identified themselves as Costa Mesans and supported this live anywhere close to the location where they would have any negative impact). Of course our good neighbors in NB want this in Costa Mesa and NOT IN THEIR BACKYARD! This will be yet one more shining example of something in CM that's promoted by many in NB; they like it, they just don’t want it next to them. The developer won’t have to worry about it because he and his family are safely tucked away in a gate guarded community with out cut through traffic, fresh breeze from the ocean, etc… in NB.
When are Costa Mesans going to wise up and stop agreeing to be NB's b***?
pardon me... i intended to suggest that CC should have insisted that cars exiting can only turn "RIGHT" (not left ;)
Well, the Council has done it again: they scheduled potentially contentious items (outsourcing) for the end of an obviously lengthy meeting.
It makes their lives easier, of course – there weren’t as many angry voters lambasting them – even though they had to break their midnight rule and stay up till after 3 a.m.
We see this time and again. This council’s M.O. is to do what it wants while tossing people a few bones of “listening to the citizens.”
It’s easy to imagine how much more reckless they’ll be if they get their charter passed and they’re out from under the safeguards the State has provided for us as a general-law city.
Katie, bar the door!
Robin- I have met many great people in our city who are Republicans and opposed to the councilmen and their agenda. Geoff is one of them.They are not to be confused with the OC GOP which is not the same GOP that started in OC years ago.
tomatoe/tomato - when you have councilmen who dictate their agenda,ignore their constituents,appoint council members, try to bend/break city and state laws, codes and rules, impose their own form of censorship on information, instead plying us with propaganda, fear and lies-
you have beginning of an oligarchy leading to a dictatorship.
Mentioning Hitler was not a stretch, nor was it playing a " race card".
Righeimer and Co. do not like democracy, no matter what they say. Their actions prove it.
Clarification on my last post-
The GOP did not start in OC. I should have written the OC GOP that was here years ago.
- Scott Carpenter
If the Baugh/OC GOP playbook was not dictating the agenda for our four councilmen, Wendy Leece would be mayor and Chris McEvoy would be sitting in Mr. Mensinger's council seat. That would be the democratic process in action. So please explain why that didn't happen before you ever criticize us again for referring to that playbook. The damn thing is running our city right now!
It was probably another in a long series of failures for Righeimer to give the Young Republicans a pep talk the night before their council appearance and then bring them into Costa Mesa politics. Odds are that youth being what it is, at least one or two of them now gets that Riggy and his cohorts are ruining the Republican brand in OC. He may very well have instructed the people who will help end his political career in order to save the OCGOP.
alf, re read my post. you are confused(race card). I disagree with everything you said about council except that they want to impose their agenda(of course they do, just like cm4rg) and they appointed a council member, which is their job. Leece is not fit for Mayor and McEvoy lost the election. Both nice people who fell short. Your group states many false accusations and bends the truth repeatedly. And resorting to the "hitler" card is always a little extreme isn't it? Everyone needs to calm down and act civil. You may find a more receptive council but you never tried civility, just came out firing at everything,including inconsequential shiny objects. If you want something worth looking at check out the happenings at Sanitary district and waste of money.
Tomato – If you want to look at a waste of taxpayer money at the sanitary district how about all the residents paying for the lockable trash cans that a few residents (Fitzpatrick mainly) had to have, or the Fitzpatrick program you are all paying for to opt out of junk mail on the san district web site. You almost paid for a remodel of the building so Fitzpatrick could have a dais. And Fitzpatrick definitely supported budgeting money for a branding consultant to the tune of $20000. Fitzpatrick cares about making himself look good not the residents of Costa Mesa. And the reason he is preaching about the trash contract is because he has a trash hauler backing him not because he is concerned about the rest of you.
Tomatoe- Wendy Leece was next in line for the mayor position when she got re-elected in 2008. Chris McEvoy had the next highest vote count in that election after Righeimer and Wendy. When Katrina stepped down, the candidate with the highest vote count who did not win a council seat the first time around should be the one to fill a vacancy on the city council.
You think Wendy " isn't fit" to be mayor, that's your personal opinion nothing more, nothing less. She is the only one up there fit to be mayor, imo. You bring up "shiny objects" and blast Wendy as " not fit" THEN you lecture me about "civility". That's very typical,hypocritical behavior from you.
I've tried being civil with the councilmen and I get the same reaction from them everytime- nothing.
The councilmen have done plenty to keep on eye on with their limitless spending on consultants and lawyers, trying to break the laws/rules at every turn, and ignoring their constituents. I noticed you conveniently avoided those subjects.
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